FDX manning vs New FAA rest rules
11-12-2009, 04:47 AM
#21
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FLAG is FLAG. I don't anticipate the FAA attorneys differentiating between names on the side of the jet. Also, there's no allowance in Supplemental to conduct ETOPS (B-777). So, unless there’s some sort of magical wand, and I don’t see us being the favorite son of the FAA right now, hybrid rulings coming down in our (FDX’s) favor are unlikely.
I suggest everybody take a look at the FAR 121.4xx series, and some of the 121.6xx series. If you've got questions about scheduling, rest, and duty, you'll find some of your answers - regardless of when the NPRM comes to pass. Internationally, knowing when you do - and don't need an alternate (flights over 6 hours, and weather less than 1000/3 above/below expected approach mins) will provide some answers.
Scheduling will be HUGE internationally I think. Under supplemental our only limitation was 100 hours in a ROLLING 30 days. Now our 100 hour limit is in a calendar month, with an additional 30/7 (32/7) restriction. AND, at least internationally, there will be double the block time off when we return to domicile. Block 30 – off 60 – so hooking the OAK zit to that long pairing will need to be done at the beginning – not the end. Turning crews back and forth across the Pacific won’t be easy, and RFO’s – watch your hours! When you block into ANC after a short ANC-PVG-ANC, blocking 20 hours – you’re off for essentially 2 days before CRS can use you. NOT WAIVABLE! Contractually, we still have the 4-3-2 blocks of days off and min days off restrictions.
This is going to be FUN – and I’m excited!
Nakazawa
I suggest everybody take a look at the FAR 121.4xx series, and some of the 121.6xx series. If you've got questions about scheduling, rest, and duty, you'll find some of your answers - regardless of when the NPRM comes to pass. Internationally, knowing when you do - and don't need an alternate (flights over 6 hours, and weather less than 1000/3 above/below expected approach mins) will provide some answers.
Scheduling will be HUGE internationally I think. Under supplemental our only limitation was 100 hours in a ROLLING 30 days. Now our 100 hour limit is in a calendar month, with an additional 30/7 (32/7) restriction. AND, at least internationally, there will be double the block time off when we return to domicile. Block 30 – off 60 – so hooking the OAK zit to that long pairing will need to be done at the beginning – not the end. Turning crews back and forth across the Pacific won’t be easy, and RFO’s – watch your hours! When you block into ANC after a short ANC-PVG-ANC, blocking 20 hours – you’re off for essentially 2 days before CRS can use you. NOT WAIVABLE! Contractually, we still have the 4-3-2 blocks of days off and min days off restrictions.
This is going to be FUN – and I’m excited!
Nakazawa
Last edited by jagplt; 11-12-2009 at 08:18 AM.
11-12-2009, 10:40 AM
#23
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But don't listen to me....I'm still guarding essential. : )
11-12-2009, 01:34 PM
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"ULD" ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_Load_Device
- or -
"ULR" ??? (Ultra-Long-Range I think?)
Airlines Sue FAA Over Crew Rest Changes | AVIATION WEEK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_Load_Device
- or -
"ULR" ??? (Ultra-Long-Range I think?)
Airlines Sue FAA Over Crew Rest Changes | AVIATION WEEK
Last edited by MaydayMark; 11-12-2009 at 04:21 PM.
11-12-2009, 02:19 PM
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Reference 32/7. That is the limit for a two pilot crew under flag ops. There is no seven day limit for a three or four pilot crew, except that once you get back to the US, you can't fly domestically if you are over 30/7.
The twice the flight time free of duty at home station only applies if at least one of the legs was scheduled to exceed 12 hours, requiring a four pilot crew. Thus, an ANC-HKG-ANC flight would not be included under this rule.
Joe
The twice the flight time free of duty at home station only applies if at least one of the legs was scheduled to exceed 12 hours, requiring a four pilot crew. Thus, an ANC-HKG-ANC flight would not be included under this rule.
Joe
11-12-2009, 05:42 PM
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There are several misconceptions and wrong applications of the FARs both in this post and in these forums.
I would suggest going to the ALPA website and downloading “Guide to Flight Time Limitations and Rest Requirements (ALPA_flight_duty_time.pdf)” and educating yourself.
The FARs state “the company will not schedule and the pilot will not accept” assignments outside of the regulations. (My paraphrase)
It is a joint responsibility but, I think the company will weather the punishment better than the individual should a breach occur. (Part of the deeper pockets theorem)
Think, research, think again, write, spell check, think some more, post…
I would suggest going to the ALPA website and downloading “Guide to Flight Time Limitations and Rest Requirements (ALPA_flight_duty_time.pdf)” and educating yourself.
The FARs state “the company will not schedule and the pilot will not accept” assignments outside of the regulations. (My paraphrase)
It is a joint responsibility but, I think the company will weather the punishment better than the individual should a breach occur. (Part of the deeper pockets theorem)
Think, research, think again, write, spell check, think some more, post…
Last edited by Chuck Turpen; 11-12-2009 at 06:01 PM. Reason: Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings
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