IPA Elections
10-11-2009, 03:25 PM
#81
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
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Yes! I don't know where this "entitlement" movement has come from. Gereration "y"???
When I was Hired, I was relatively young also, but think 180 degrees from todays 30 year olds. I knew the rules and didn't whine.
If UPS was to furlough, so be it. Is AMR, UAL, or any of the others changing there respective contracts to save the bottom 5%? NO. And they shoudn't. Have any since the 1950's? NO. The bottom go until called back.
I and everyone else in the industry knew how Seniority system's work. I don't want us to furlough, but when I was hired I accepted the possibility.
When I was Hired, I was relatively young also, but think 180 degrees from todays 30 year olds. I knew the rules and didn't whine.
If UPS was to furlough, so be it. Is AMR, UAL, or any of the others changing there respective contracts to save the bottom 5%? NO. And they shoudn't. Have any since the 1950's? NO. The bottom go until called back.
I and everyone else in the industry knew how Seniority system's work. I don't want us to furlough, but when I was hired I accepted the possibility.
10-11-2009, 03:32 PM
#82
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Leftof longitudinal
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UPS had a net income of 401 million last quarter and pilots are lining up to help the pauper, priceless! It beats anything Bob Crandall was ever able to pull off. It is even better than an Eskimo being able to sell snowballs on Greenland in the middle of winter. It is right up there with a beggar donating money to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Halloween is coming up so maybe UPS can scare this pathetically weak pilot group some more. Boo. Trick or treat, MOU2. Trick or treat, MOU2.
10-11-2009, 03:36 PM
#83
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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I'm guessing the reason for your complete lack of empathy is because you've never found yourself in a situation that the bottom 300 are looking at right now. It's real easy to sit back and say "that's the way it's always been," and "you knew the deal when you signed up for this," when your job and livelihood aren't on the line. I suspect that you'd be singing a different tune if your six figure salary had the potential of going to zero in one fell swoop.
10-11-2009, 03:48 PM
#84
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
See my post to Avg Joe regarding the 'premium' paid to UPS. You really need to appreciate the capital markets expectations. If you elect union leadership that doesn't, expect a painful, and worse next CBA. Being loud and brash does not guarantee successful business negotiations. Nor does ignorance of the relationship between profits (necessary for a good contracts) and managements necessity to trim employees to match business demand.
10-11-2009, 04:11 PM
#85
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Spartan
Posts: 3,652
It is the same generation that thinks Obama is Messiah and that we all are entitled to FREE healthcare. They just haven't figured out yet that nothing is free. Put the blinders on and run up that deficit. Lets raise the taxes and wonder why when less tax revenue comes in. Is it called socialism. Why does a Captain get paid more than an F/O when both are required to make the airplane move? Why does a 10 year F/O get paid more than a 2 year F/O? Maybe MOU5 can take care of that problem. Wake up America.
10-11-2009, 04:17 PM
#86
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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They won't answer that because they don't know how to put themselves in other's shoes. It's all about me me me to them. And they say the junior guys have a sense of entitlement.....LMAO!
10-11-2009, 04:21 PM
#87
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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When I was Hired, I was relatively young also, but think 180 degrees from todays 30 year olds. I knew the rules and didn't whine.
If UPS was to furlough, so be it. Is AMR, UAL, or any of the others changing there respective contracts to save the bottom 5%? NO. And they shoudn't. Have any since the 1950's? NO. The bottom go until called back.
Did you walk to school in the snow for 10 miles there and back too? LOL
10-11-2009, 04:24 PM
#88
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 135
As far as MAP... I've never considered it a charity. To me it's simply purchasing short term insurance, with a return of partial premium aspect. It's a simple financial decision, no more.
I'm astounded at how a number of folks act like they're the only ones to ever face a potential furlough. Yes, I've been unemployed... as have HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of others across the globe. Was it fun? Nope. Did I survive? Yep. Never a question in my mind, but it is apparently in doubt for some here by the way they talk.
10-11-2009, 04:25 PM
#89
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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Shaggy, you exhibit a welfare mentality. It is not your neighbors' (the taxpayers of this nation) responsibility to provide for you. It is your responsibility to provide for yourself. That is precisely what my wife and I teach our children. I would never accept a handout from my coworkers to provide for my family. That is my responsibility.
10-11-2009, 04:27 PM
#90
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