Commando

Yes! I don't know where this "entitlement" movement has come from. Gereration "y"???

When I was Hired, I was relatively young also, but think 180 degrees from todays 30 year olds. I knew the rules and didn't whine.

If UPS was to furlough, so be it. Is AMR, UAL, or any of the others changing there respective contracts to save the bottom 5%? NO. And they shoudn't. Have any since the 1950's? NO. The bottom go until called back.

I and everyone else in the industry knew how Seniority system's work. I don't want us to furlough, but when I was hired I accepted the possibility.

Avg Joe

Sometimes you just have to laugh at the disconnect. Do you see your two statements above?

Shaggy, you exhibit a welfare mentality. It is not your neighbors' (the taxpayers of this nation) responsibility to provide for you. It is your responsibility to provide for yourself. That is precisely what my wife and I teach our children. I would never accept a handout from my coworkers to provide for my family. That is my responsibility.

In what other facet of american society is it the coworkers' responsibility to provide for a laid off coworker? Aren't you the least bit ashamed to still be seeking a teet to suckle? (philosophically speaking)

Avg Joe

+1

That sums it up.

cashcow

UPS had a net income of 401 million last quarter and pilots are lining up to help the pauper, priceless! It beats anything Bob Crandall was ever able to pull off. It is even better than an Eskimo being able to sell snowballs on Greenland in the middle of winter. It is right up there with a beggar donating money to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Halloween is coming up so maybe UPS can scare this pathetically weak pilot group some more. Boo. Trick or treat, MOU2. Trick or treat, MOU2.

cashcow

It is the same generation that thinks Obama is Messiah and that we all are entitled to FREE healthcare. They just haven't figured out yet that nothing is free. Put the blinders on and run up that deficit. Lets raise the taxes and wonder why when less tax revenue comes in. Is it called socialism. Why does a Captain get paid more than an F/O when both are required to make the airplane move? Why does a 10 year F/O get paid more than a 2 year F/O? Maybe MOU5 can take care of that problem. Wake up America.

Naven

We didn't change our contract. The MOU was completely voluntary, albeit there was peer pressure exerted to get people to participate. If you succumbed to the pressure or if you didn't understand what you were signing up for, sorry.

When I came to UPS I was told the IPA was different than the unions of the past that have sold out their junior members time and time again. The MOU idea came from the IPA and the executive board proved to me that they were different.

If the membership votes in a new president that unilatterly trashes the MOU we will be no better than ALPA has ever been or the APA was in the 80's with the B scale.

UPS very well may announce a furlough in January that is their business. If the IPA cancels the MOU because some don't like that others are taking time off without pay, then furlough will be and IPA furlough.

Naven

If you don't mind please explain what part of the MOU do you think violates the contract.

say that again

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, I'm an '88 hire and in the top 200 seniority numbers but I supported, voted for and participate in the MOU.

Commando

Vacation and carry-in Conflict.

I participated in the MOU. But what gets me is the younger crowd here that thinks something is owned to them. And I'm young! But to force a paycut like some want is Bull. And I'm tired of the same EB sitting on the arse on issues. This is why I want major change. This is why I like BT and TK. And all SF wants is to save the bottom 10% to the detriment of our Contract it seems.

757upspilot

Same here.
The unions job is to protect the union member by negotiating a contract that protects the union member. This is why areas of scope, termination protection, scheduling and the other areas that drive staffing are negotiated. We cannot make a job where one doesn't exist nor keep one that is no longer required. The IPA tried and has so far prevented a layoff of its members via a voluntary MOU. I don't believe we will be able to meet an increased demand from the company and I think they will come to us with an increased demand, regardless of who is sitting in the EB seats. I don't what to see anyone on the street but, the company controls this the IPA doesn't.