Commando

Shaggy, I'm a mid 90's guy. And I want younger "blood". But not Scott. He is great, but not as the Pres. Not ready. And in Regards to BT and the B&G, I agree with 90%. Apathy is killing this Union. And the total lack of Leadership towards Violations and enforcement of our agreement. Just look at the SJU turns over 8 hours. Our leaders did SQUAT.

As for the MOU, if UPS decides to forlough, thats there call. Our Union is not here to manage or run the airline. That's the Dark side's roll. And I think a Forlough will never happen.

Avg Joe

Farley's out! Between him caving on the ATL MD training issue, his effeminate demeanor in general, and then his questionable meddling in the election (by approaching BT and promising favors)... he's a non-starter.

Derthick has the slight lead over Thrush (IMO)... I'm not one to get all lathered up by bull feces, so Thrush is refreshing in that sense. Derthick has the advantage of position in that he's obviously privy to discussions BT isn't. I do like Derthick's calm, even demeanor... but I also like Thrush's impatience with the status quo. The best part had to be when Farley tried to suggest they had been working VERY hard on the over-8 hr issue (for 6 freaking YEARS already!) and Thrush said it was every IPA member's right to finally raise the BS flag and notify the FAA (via whistleblower).

Perhaps the optimum scenario is for Derthick to win and appoint Thrush to a more prominent grievance/contract enforcement/negotiating position. Thrush is a huge advantage in the right capacity, but Farley is dead weight and the sooner he bows ought the better.

Oh... as far as secretary... Kalfas is the clear choice. Whyte's a great guy, but Kalfas is the level-headed, future president we need on the board. Again, JMO.

Commando

Yes, I also was impressed with T. Kalfas. And I know Rick would do a great Job if elected. Now we just need a new lead counsel.

Shaggy1970

Avg, I like BOB, talked to him a couple of times on the phone when he was in grievance. He is a pitbull and a hammer in every sense of the word! Like a bit bull I want him to protect and defend our contract! I am not sure though that I want a pit bull around my kids! Bobs biggest problem is his mouth! After watching the video I take away the same thing! You can't run for a office and then shove your foot in your mouth on the B&G buy getting your facts wrong and other inaccuracy's. What does that say about someones SA. Over night BT has turned off the bottom 300 who have the most to lose here and I for one don't want to be on the street! Scott might not be ready but I think he will be able to bring a fresh outlook and save my job! I am ready to stand by my decison and deal with it. Just my .02!

peredavi

"He seems angry"

That sealed it for me. Bob Miller is a calm,methodical thinker. He's a very good pilot too. I j/s'd with himon 767 into ABQ when he was out of office and watched him hand fly a visual in from 20miles east, keep the speed up and roll it on.
Its Derthick or Farley. I listened to Farley at Peanut Farm Friday. He seems like a possible president.
Pere
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Avg Joe

Shaggy... here's my no BS assessment of our current situation. We're overstaffed. Call it what you like... but the combination of economic downturn, less block hours, greater air efficiency, 60-65... HUGE impact, retiring of 3-man acft, all new acft are WIDEBODY 2-man acft, etc... has resulted in an UGLY situation where UPS genuinely has too many pilots for its current business situation. Not sure how we sugar coat this? Historically, when an airline is overstaffed, it furloughs. If I were in the bottom 300-500, I'd be preparing for a furlough. If I thought for a second that Farley had the Golden Answer to this unfortunate situation I'd vote for him. Unfortunately, he doesn't. Based on his choice to go against the IPA President's urging and our union attorney's advice, I am convinced he has his own wallet in prime consideration. (Remember, this guy is an FO who will be paid Capt wages should he win the election.)

Naven

BT has said he would rather have furloughs and an assessment to cover the medical of those furloughed.

Avg Joe

I specifically looked for this but didn't note it. Granted he has some peculiar (unflattering) smirks, especially after answering questions... but he seems genuinely disgusted with the long drawn out, no action of the current EB. Sometimes, (I admit) I think we've gotten way too full of ourselves and ought to be operating out of a double-wide vice the Bob-Mahal we have.

I found it quite interesting to note that only 550 crew members participated in the MOU (exclusive of the sick give-away). The bottom line is that when a company is overstaffed, it lays off. That's the way the rest of society operates and I don't believe we should view it as a failure if that's what happens here. Unfortunately, that's the way our economic system works in periods of contraction. I know that sounds unsympathetic, but that's not my intention. I'm not a big, fluffy language, lots of BS type of guy.

Avg Joe

I forget whether you are "Begging The Question" or expressing a "Half truth"?

He would rather have option "A" versus ..... here's the part where you should have included context. Or, do you really think we're THAT stupid?

aseweepay

But what will really sting if furloughed is that a lot of us in the bottom 300 are bidding RDG lines/job share/leave etc trying to save jobs, only to be thrown out in the street...I wish that there was a clause in the MOU saying that anyone furloughed would get back what they gave up to help them "weather the storm"... a lot of us are still trying to catch up from previous furloughs etc.....To take a big pay hit and then hit the street is not going to be good....