Purple or Brown?????
09-29-2009, 01:17 PM
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ANC
The bottom 300 FO's will spend 3 to 5 years in ANC, and about 150 Capt. seats will go to the most junior choosing that position; and they will remain there for 7 to 10 years. You either make the move or have a pretty painful commute. Besides that, no, I don't see any other undesirable seats. I think we have pretty good domiciles.
ONT - West coast
MIA - Florida
SDF - pretty central and easy to commute on company (unless you live in DFW)
ANC - less than 3% would choose to live in this domicile
I think this bickering as to which place is better is pretty childish. I work for Brown, I fly 200 hours a year, make a great income and don't think about the place unless I am stupid enough to come on this forum or the B&G... I don't think they treat me better or worse than any other huge corporation. I am only a number to UPS, and that is just fine with me; as long as they keep providing me with numbers in the 6 figures each year I will remain a good, loyal employee.
I am not thrilled with the MOU, but we are plain and simply overstaffed, and I applaud the IPA AND the company for creating this opportunity to preserve jobs. I thought FedEx's 4a2b was a great idea before it was implemented, but it appears it wasn't as well thought out as you would have liked (kinda like our MOU). Live and learn! Hopefully this will all be over for us in the next 12 months and we will correct this experience with our next contracts.
Fly safe,
fit59
09-29-2009, 11:28 PM
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I view this argument like I do the ultimate mil flying fantasy...
AF QOL(job security in UPS terms) with Navy flying rules(FDX QOL). In the end go with the first one to call. However, these latest threads on this topic are a waste given nobody will be hired anytime soon.
AF QOL(job security in UPS terms) with Navy flying rules(FDX QOL). In the end go with the first one to call. However, these latest threads on this topic are a waste given nobody will be hired anytime soon.
09-30-2009, 12:58 PM
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In the beginning of my career I was looking at and talking about the different pay and benefits at the different airlines with a long time major carrier pilot. He listened and then told me I was looking in the wrong places and looking at the wrong numbers. He maintained that you should look at the financial strength of the company and the quality of the management. Either of these companies would be very good , someone else wrote take the first one that calls.
I think UPS will start to hire first, we are at the end of the three pilot to two pilot cockpit transition and we staff thinner than FEDEX, at least from I can see from the outside looking in. Neither will hire for awhile due to excess pilots on the property at both.
I think UPS will start to hire first, we are at the end of the three pilot to two pilot cockpit transition and we staff thinner than FEDEX, at least from I can see from the outside looking in. Neither will hire for awhile due to excess pilots on the property at both.
09-30-2009, 03:14 PM
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I am humble and know that I was one of the luckiest sob's ever. In 2005 I had job offers from UPS, FDX, Airtran, Geminii, and SWA. I chose UPS but thought about leaving for FDX before the contract was finished.
I'm glad I stayed. I've been treated very well at UPS and have no complaints. I think we have a much better future than FDX based on the business and labor climates. The FDX ground side will be unionized; it's just a matter of time. Ups will get a larger share of the postal contract eventually. Just look at what a small portion we have now comparatively. Ups is still a newly public company. They have always done things much more slowly than FDX but that is changing--Wall St is forcing it. Ups is much better run fiscally than fdx. With a weakened fdx and dhl out of the domestic market ups is poised for a market share grab when the economy rebounds, and it will eventually. In 10 years I expect ups to have near 4000 pilots and fdx to have about the same they do now.
I'm glad I stayed. I've been treated very well at UPS and have no complaints. I think we have a much better future than FDX based on the business and labor climates. The FDX ground side will be unionized; it's just a matter of time. Ups will get a larger share of the postal contract eventually. Just look at what a small portion we have now comparatively. Ups is still a newly public company. They have always done things much more slowly than FDX but that is changing--Wall St is forcing it. Ups is much better run fiscally than fdx. With a weakened fdx and dhl out of the domestic market ups is poised for a market share grab when the economy rebounds, and it will eventually. In 10 years I expect ups to have near 4000 pilots and fdx to have about the same they do now.
09-30-2009, 06:17 PM
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I am humble and know that I was one of the luckiest sob's ever. In 2005 I had job offers from UPS, FDX, Airtran, Geminii, and SWA. I chose UPS but thought about leaving for FDX before the contract was finished.
I'm glad I stayed. I've been treated very well at UPS and have no complaints. I think we have a much better future than FDX based on the business and labor climates. The FDX ground side will be unionized; it's just a matter of time. Ups will get a larger share of the postal contract eventually. Just look at what a small portion we have now comparatively. Ups is still a newly public company. They have always done things much more slowly than FDX but that is changing--Wall St is forcing it. Ups is much better run fiscally than fdx. With a weakened fdx and dhl out of the domestic market ups is poised for a market share grab when the economy rebounds, and it will eventually. In 10 years I expect ups to have near 4000 pilots and fdx to have about the same they do now.
I'm glad I stayed. I've been treated very well at UPS and have no complaints. I think we have a much better future than FDX based on the business and labor climates. The FDX ground side will be unionized; it's just a matter of time. Ups will get a larger share of the postal contract eventually. Just look at what a small portion we have now comparatively. Ups is still a newly public company. They have always done things much more slowly than FDX but that is changing--Wall St is forcing it. Ups is much better run fiscally than fdx. With a weakened fdx and dhl out of the domestic market ups is poised for a market share grab when the economy rebounds, and it will eventually. In 10 years I expect ups to have near 4000 pilots and fdx to have about the same they do now.
Pleeeeeease.JJ
09-30-2009, 06:27 PM
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I thought you were better than that jj. But I guess I was wrong.
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