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09-06-2009, 05:58 PM
#21
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You can have my slot for a while. 
I'm going to be busy for a couple of years..........
No Fumar Español: South from San Diego - ADVrider
I'm going to want it back though....
I'm going to be busy for a couple of years..........
No Fumar Español: South from San Diego - ADVrider
I'm going to want it back though....
09-06-2009, 06:07 PM
#22
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Sorry PW, thread hijack off....... Buen suerte amigo, were all counting on you.
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09-07-2009, 01:39 AM
#23
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The referral process heavily favors milatary because if you have been with the company any length of time and are not in the milatary (reserve, etc) how do meet the I have flown with requirement. You may if you are a recent hire but, after a few years you won't have the contact.
We do have a diverse group, possibly more than any other airline, the referral program is what I am speaking about.
We do have a diverse group, possibly more than any other airline, the referral program is what I am speaking about.
UPS does not have a 'flown with requirement'. It is a question on the recommendation form. Not a mandatory requirment that you have flown with the individual. It starts with a "Have you flown with this individual' if you answer "no" it still asks a common set of questions and skips a few others. Have recommended folks have and have not flown with. Both sets have been hired. The bigger impact: I believe anyone who writes a recommendation (whether mil or civ) needs to realize that the time and effort put in the writing has a major impact on their candidate. It can make a difference. A poor write up reflects poorly in HR. It says you really don't care enough to spend the few hours to really write a detailed and concise recommendation and that they are not worth your time. Thus, a bad signal to the HR folks. A mediocre interview can be influenced by a well thought out and informative recommendation. It is used to confirm HR's inclination on an applicant.
My rec to the OP is that you simply need to know a UPS/Fedex pilot. Do not need to fly with them, but doing a Habitat for Humanity project, etc allows said UPS/Fedex pilot to expand upon your work ethic, responsibility,judgment etc. This does not require an extraordinary amount of time.
Another potential source of meeting some airline pilots might be at a Civil Air Patrol squadron that flies the airplanes. Time is flexible, gives access to potential UPS/Fedex drivers and allows you to fly with them if that is important to you. Like I said, have recommended folks who have not set foot together in a cockpit and they got hired. I spend alot of time doing the writeup though, copy it down (it's all online) and send the copy to the applicant so they know exactly what I said. (One question is often :"What do you think SD said about you?" Good luck. Unfortunately, think it will be about 3 years before the pilot HR team is called back to hire. I wouldn't leave your present job. UPS has hired lots of folks with that experience. Good luck
09-07-2009, 10:43 AM
#24
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757upspilot.
UPS does not have a 'flown with requirement'. It is a question on the recommendation form. Not a mandatory requirment that you have flown with the individual. It starts with a "Have you flown with this individual' if you answer "no" it still asks a common set of questions and skips a few others. Have recommended folks have and have not flown with. Both sets have been hired. The bigger impact: I believe anyone who writes a recommendation (whether mil or civ) needs to realize that the time and effort put in the writing has a major impact on their candidate. It can make a difference. A poor write up reflects poorly in HR. It says you really don't care enough to spend the few hours to really write a detailed and concise recommendation and that they are not worth your time. Thus, a bad signal to the HR folks. A mediocre interview can be influenced by a well thought out and informative recommendation. It is used to confirm HR's inclination on an applicant.
My rec to the OP is that you simply need to know a UPS/Fedex pilot. Do not need to fly with them, but doing a Habitat for Humanity project, etc allows said UPS/Fedex pilot to expand upon your work ethic, responsibility,judgment etc. This does not require an extraordinary amount of time.
Another potential source of meeting some airline pilots might be at a Civil Air Patrol squadron that flies the airplanes. Time is flexible, gives access to potential UPS/Fedex drivers and allows you to fly with them if that is important to you. Like I said, have recommended folks who have not set foot together in a cockpit and they got hired. I spend alot of time doing the writeup though, copy it down (it's all online) and send the copy to the applicant so they know exactly what I said. (One question is often :"What do you think SD said about you?" Good luck. Unfortunately, think it will be about 3 years before the pilot HR team is called back to hire. I wouldn't leave your present job. UPS has hired lots of folks with that experience. Good luck
UPS does not have a 'flown with requirement'. It is a question on the recommendation form. Not a mandatory requirment that you have flown with the individual. It starts with a "Have you flown with this individual' if you answer "no" it still asks a common set of questions and skips a few others. Have recommended folks have and have not flown with. Both sets have been hired. The bigger impact: I believe anyone who writes a recommendation (whether mil or civ) needs to realize that the time and effort put in the writing has a major impact on their candidate. It can make a difference. A poor write up reflects poorly in HR. It says you really don't care enough to spend the few hours to really write a detailed and concise recommendation and that they are not worth your time. Thus, a bad signal to the HR folks. A mediocre interview can be influenced by a well thought out and informative recommendation. It is used to confirm HR's inclination on an applicant.
My rec to the OP is that you simply need to know a UPS/Fedex pilot. Do not need to fly with them, but doing a Habitat for Humanity project, etc allows said UPS/Fedex pilot to expand upon your work ethic, responsibility,judgment etc. This does not require an extraordinary amount of time.
Another potential source of meeting some airline pilots might be at a Civil Air Patrol squadron that flies the airplanes. Time is flexible, gives access to potential UPS/Fedex drivers and allows you to fly with them if that is important to you. Like I said, have recommended folks who have not set foot together in a cockpit and they got hired. I spend alot of time doing the writeup though, copy it down (it's all online) and send the copy to the applicant so they know exactly what I said. (One question is often :"What do you think SD said about you?" Good luck. Unfortunately, think it will be about 3 years before the pilot HR team is called back to hire. I wouldn't leave your present job. UPS has hired lots of folks with that experience. Good luck
Salty
I am going to disagree. Unless it has changed I was told by the Pilot in charge of the hiring that without a flown with yes answer you could basically forget it because they got enough flown with recommendations.
09-07-2009, 01:45 PM
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09-07-2009, 02:32 PM
#28
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He also told me to make sure that pilot didn't have lots of negative remarks on his file before I used him as a reference. Pretty self explanatory but I thought it was interesting that he brought it up. P.D. was standing right next to us and seem to agree with everything Buz said.
09-07-2009, 02:40 PM
#29
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757 - Salty is right. In 2005 at one of the job fairs Buz Thompson told me that ideally I should look for a recommendation from someone I'd flown with but that if I knew a UPS pilot really well without having flown with him/her that'd work too.
He also told me to make sure that pilot didn't have lots of negative remarks on his file before I used him as a reference. Pretty self explanatory but I thought it was interesting that he brought it up. P.D. was standing right next to us and seem to agree with everything Buz said.
He also told me to make sure that pilot didn't have lots of negative remarks on his file before I used him as a reference. Pretty self explanatory but I thought it was interesting that he brought it up. P.D. was standing right next to us and seem to agree with everything Buz said.
09-07-2009, 06:57 PM
#30
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I recommended my buddy who I had not flown with and he got hired. I was his only recommendation (he had no heavy international time either).
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