FDX: ACARS block out time changes
08-24-2009, 11:10 AM
#21
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You said, "Not sure you want to push that too far!" What do you think someone should be afraid of? Other than finding out that the FAA doesn't give a crap.
The FOM and CBA use aircraft movement to determine "block out". All of our scheduling/pay parameters are based on that definition.
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08-24-2009, 11:29 AM
#22
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USAir played with the times so often I doubt they knew what they were capturing. First it was doors closed, brakes released. Then they added oil pressure. Then it got changed again at one time so that you had to show movement on the IRSs. Then it got changed again so that if you pushed, started but didn't get to taxi, the times were adjusted. Also, if you were held off a gate on landing, same hijinx. It was typical of their attitude.
08-24-2009, 01:55 PM
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USAir played with the times so often I doubt they knew what they were capturing. First it was doors closed, brakes released. Then they added oil pressure. Then it got changed again at one time so that you had to show movement on the IRSs. Then it got changed again so that if you pushed, started but didn't get to taxi, the times were adjusted. Also, if you were held off a gate on landing, same hijinx. It was typical of their attitude.
Ours, on the MD-11, is OOOI, and is labeled as such on an ACARS page to edit them ourselves! I have seen the ACARS be off on times by many hours as well, usually as a result of not having the correct UTC time set prior to block out!
08-24-2009, 03:47 PM
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I don't miss the hassle.
08-24-2009, 03:58 PM
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Maybe you have a completely different corporate dynamic but ours was constantly adversarial. The company figured the worst case was it would be grieved and presented to an arbitrator. Worst there is they would lose and have to do what they agreed to do by contract. So, essentially nothing to lose and a possible new precedent established.
I don't miss the hassle.
I don't miss the hassle.
08-24-2009, 05:10 PM
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Not that I would know anything about any of it.
08-24-2009, 05:23 PM
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The OOOI page does not change the time that is sent to the company. I know you can change it and it prints out nicely. But, that is not the time that is sent automatically (unless they are the same) to the company. If you want to doctor your time you have to manipulate the clock in the ACARS before you block out then let it update after you start to taxi.
Not that I would know anything about any of it.
Not that I would know anything about any of it.
08-24-2009, 05:29 PM
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The OOOI page does not change the time that is sent to the company. I know you can change it and it prints out nicely. But, that is not the time that is sent automatically (unless they are the same) to the company. If you want to doctor your time you have to manipulate the clock in the ACARS before you block out then let it update after you start to taxi.
Not that I would know anything about any of it.
Not that I would know anything about any of it.
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