FDX 200 retirements come OCT?
08-24-2009, 03:58 AM
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Could he mean the VEBA 25K? It was only for those at a certain age or older at contract signing. It will only happen again if we expense it during another contract negotiation.
08-24-2009, 04:00 AM
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Not a bonus, but Medical Dollars
I think Lag is talking about the FedEx ALPA version of OBAMA CARE. Where the senior ND's get health care at a reduced cost thanks to the junior dudes paying extra dues to cover the guys who were supposed to retire at 60. How did that work out for us?
08-24-2009, 04:06 AM
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[QUOTE=Jetjok;667289]I guess that some of you still don't get it. You will all become ND's, it's just a matter of time. In the meantime, instead of talking about negotiating disincentives and flattening out the pay scale and other seniority based benefits, perhaps you should be looking into clarifying and enhancing the contractual language of the next contract, so that misinterpretation and/or misrepresentation by the company, of a large number of work rules cannot ruin either pay or QOL for the crew force.
Excactly,, Just got polled by Wilson. I told them that while we the crew force come up with grids and pay gates I say keep the vacation and place the wide body pay rate at $350-$400/hour. The company will just figure out how to negate any improvement in work rules.............
Excactly,, Just got polled by Wilson. I told them that while we the crew force come up with grids and pay gates I say keep the vacation and place the wide body pay rate at $350-$400/hour. The company will just figure out how to negate any improvement in work rules.............
08-24-2009, 04:20 AM
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I wish I'd said that ... how come everybody knows what LAG is talking about except for JJ? Maybe his Alzheimers makes him forget stuff that the junior guys subsidize (and that we might not receive unless we pay for it in a future contract)?
08-24-2009, 05:01 AM
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The vast majority of you will become ND's, based on the definition that appears to be a combination of the following: 1) super senior, or "at the top of the seniority list"; coupled with 2) any age over about 50; and 3) a captain. With that in mind, it's just a matter of time, so I would recommend again that you concentrate your efforts, not in reducing or eliminating benefits for the senior guys, but for defining exactly what the needs are for this crew force, going forward.
As for "finding a way to go out on medical and milking the system", I'd suggest that the climb to the top is hardly worth the view. Open heart surgery and 5 bypasses is not a walk in the park. As well, going from a productive member of a very skilled occupation, to a non-contributing, stand on the sidelines guy, type A personality, is more difficult than one could imagine. The saving grace is that I get to sleep in my own bed each night, spend more time with my grandkids, do the things I want to do, except flying of course, get a decent LTD check each month, while still being able to hang out here, with all you genteel people. On the other hand, if the FAA hadn't required me to take an angiogram, from which about 2% of those undergoing said procedure die, I would, this day, be back in the left seat of the Mad Dog, jetting around the world and enjoying every minute of it, and making the majority of you one number less senior. So I guess the point of this last paragraph is to be careful what you wish for, because it might come true.
JJ
As for "finding a way to go out on medical and milking the system", I'd suggest that the climb to the top is hardly worth the view. Open heart surgery and 5 bypasses is not a walk in the park. As well, going from a productive member of a very skilled occupation, to a non-contributing, stand on the sidelines guy, type A personality, is more difficult than one could imagine. The saving grace is that I get to sleep in my own bed each night, spend more time with my grandkids, do the things I want to do, except flying of course, get a decent LTD check each month, while still being able to hang out here, with all you genteel people. On the other hand, if the FAA hadn't required me to take an angiogram, from which about 2% of those undergoing said procedure die, I would, this day, be back in the left seat of the Mad Dog, jetting around the world and enjoying every minute of it, and making the majority of you one number less senior. So I guess the point of this last paragraph is to be careful what you wish for, because it might come true.
JJ
On another note, I think the original definition of a ND was anyone over 60 trying to change the age. Now I think it is generally meant for anyone over 60 who could have retired but did not. By that definition, I hope to never become a ND. The stagnation caused by the age change, as well as resultant pay losses I have incurred so those over 60 can stay around, may change that though if it is long term. Time will tell if I can still meet my retirement goals by 60, but that is still my goal.
08-24-2009, 06:01 AM
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How do you figure it's illegal? Age discrimination - give me a break - it's done every day in every business in the world and gotten away with. On our last contract we gave out health benefits and A plan multipliers to folks purely based on age - 53 and above - with zero regard to years at the company, position, etc - only age. I suspect that was age discrimination but somehow it passed all the lawyers based on their "need" and their "likelihood" to retire in the future.
08-24-2009, 07:00 AM
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I think you are confusing the HRA and VEBA. The HRA was supposed to give guys at a certain age, (around 53 or 54) $25,000 for medical cost from age 60 to 65. This is because the cost of insurance goes up by something like 400% until you reach age 65. So the union did all they could so guys would still retire at age 60, and the $25,000 would let them do that without hardship for medical cost. Regardless of when these guys retire, they get the money. Sounds like a good idea. But the greedy over 60 guys see this as a way to pocket another $25k and still stick around until 65. Not what was intended with the program.
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