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Old 08-13-2009, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 727gm
The last Western civilian airplane that required an engineer was a 727-200 that came off the line in 1984.
All of you are wrong. NWA Cargo is STILL flying 747-200's which require a FE/SO.
Also they're are 2 in a pax config doing charters(mostly military)

Unfortunately they will join the rest of their brethren in AZ by next year.

Not many people get to doze for dollars anymore. It's a dying position.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
All of you are wrong. NWA Cargo is STILL flying 747-200's which require a FE/SO.
Also they're are 2 in a pax config doing charters(mostly military)

Unfortunately they will join the rest of their brethren in AZ by next year.

Not many people get to doze for dollars anymore. It's a dying position.
We were talking primarily about the last airplanes built, not the last ones flying. Some 3-seaters will probably soldier on for third-tier operations for a while, the problem being that the airplanes are heading out to pasture faster than the guys who plumb them.
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:16 PM
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Does anyone know if Air France is still flying the 747-400 with a flight engineer. Yes, I know, that jet doesn't have an engineer's panel, however, they did operate with a FE just sitting on the jumpseat for a while. He, or she, had no duties that you could see, so it must have been in their contract.

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Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan
We were talking primarily about the last airplanes built, not the last ones flying. Some 3-seaters will probably soldier on for third-tier operations for a while, the problem being that the airplanes are heading out to pasture faster than the guys who plumb them.
You mean, third tier operations like FDX? Our plan is to still have 64 of them in MAY 2011.
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Does anyone know if Air France is still flying the 747-400 with a flight engineer. Yes, I know, that jet doesn't have an engineer's panel, however, they did operate with a FE just sitting on the jumpseat for a while. He, or she, had no duties that you could see, so it must have been in their contract.

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SIGN me up for that job! About the only thing you can do from the jumpseat is hit the ACARS printer. At least when QANTAS had F/Es on the 767 they had Boeing add a panel. If I recall, it had the engine A/I switches on it.

Busboy, I thought all the 727s will be be gone in a couple years. And haven't all the Tens been MDized? That leaves A-300s. They still in the fleet plan? I'm way out of the loop.
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Busboy, I thought all the 727s will be be gone in a couple years. And haven't all the Tens been MDized? That leaves A-300s. They still in the fleet plan? I'm way out of the loop.
1. The 72s will be around until at least 2015 at last word. Someone finally figured out planes you own outright with a large inventory of parts can be cheaper to operate than a more fuel efficent plane you have to buy and build up parts inventory for.

2. The 10s are no longer flying, but 4 or 5 are sitting in VCV waiting for MD conversion slots to open.

3. All our A300s are -600s with 2-person glass cockpits, not -B4s with 3 person cockpits.
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Old 08-13-2009, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Does anyone know if Air France is still flying the 747-400 with a flight engineer. Yes, I know, that jet doesn't have an engineer's panel, however, they did operate with a FE just sitting on the jumpseat for a while. He, or she, had no duties that you could see, so it must have been in their contract. JJ
Some of the older UAL guys may remember when their first 737s arrived, and were manned by 3 pilots. Featherbedding, perhaps, but a contract is a contract.
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Old 08-13-2009, 10:35 PM
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Centurion Cargo has just furloghed their las PFE's, some where with the company for 25 years (transition fron Challenge) their third MD11 arrives in September.
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Here's some trivia. If you ever jumpseat on a 737 and there's a second jumpseat, now you know why it's there. You had to have two so a fed and the third man could ride in the cockpit.

British Airways used to have a flight attendant ride on their all cargo planes. She would function as a fire guard when not serving the cockpit.



Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Some of the older UAL guys may remember when their first 737s arrived, and were manned by 3 pilots. Featherbedding, perhaps, but a contract is a contract.
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Some of the best flight engineers I've flown with at World were PFE's. Having said that, it's a dying breed. If you want to get into the cockpit, you'll need to be a pilot.


Originally Posted by jsfBoat
I have a year to go to finish my A&P and am taking my cfi ride next week. When the hiring starts again, will any of the cargo companies need flight engineers? Besides finishing the A&P and taking the F/E written, what else is invloved in getting the F/E ticket? I'm interested I'm getting on with a cargo company as a flight engineer.
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