FedEx management monitoring pilots on forum
07-31-2009, 11:43 PM
#2
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: FDX Captain
Posts: 77
Come on guys...of course they are, the did at Delta, they did at United, and they did at American, and they still do at Fedex.
Remember the ACP, LK? (jokingly known behind his back by other ACP's as Deputy Dawg) He even posted in the open with his name. The SCP also monitors...(motivations by LK for monitoring could be the topic of an entire thread on its own...)
They have everything to gain by monitoring the boards. If they find something that they feel they can link to "organized activities" by the union that might be viewed as illegal, they can get a court order by one of the many federal judges they use...gain an upper hand, take a hostage, cause the association to be on the defensive...even prevent us in advance from being allowed to go into legal self help.
If you think these blogs are anonymous, and freedom of speech applies and protects you...think again...
Fedex would have no problem getting a subpoena against APC to gain access to info and records or members, for any number reasons that can be justified.
Fedex doesn't keep that huge legal department around just for fun guys.
IMHO people talk way too much and freely on these boards, and it will do nothing but hurt individuals and the association in the long run.
If you want to truly make a difference, do more talking in the crew room and on trips, do committee work, and remember, management is not our friend. While there are some good guys in those positions, overall, they are not there to protect you, they protect Fedex.
ALPA isn't perfect, but it is what you make it by your advocacy and involvement.
Worse, ALPA is also is what you allow it to become by inaction and indifference.
Again my opinion.
Remember the ACP, LK? (jokingly known behind his back by other ACP's as Deputy Dawg) He even posted in the open with his name. The SCP also monitors...(motivations by LK for monitoring could be the topic of an entire thread on its own...)
They have everything to gain by monitoring the boards. If they find something that they feel they can link to "organized activities" by the union that might be viewed as illegal, they can get a court order by one of the many federal judges they use...gain an upper hand, take a hostage, cause the association to be on the defensive...even prevent us in advance from being allowed to go into legal self help.
If you think these blogs are anonymous, and freedom of speech applies and protects you...think again...
Fedex would have no problem getting a subpoena against APC to gain access to info and records or members, for any number reasons that can be justified.
Fedex doesn't keep that huge legal department around just for fun guys.
IMHO people talk way too much and freely on these boards, and it will do nothing but hurt individuals and the association in the long run.
If you want to truly make a difference, do more talking in the crew room and on trips, do committee work, and remember, management is not our friend. While there are some good guys in those positions, overall, they are not there to protect you, they protect Fedex.
ALPA isn't perfect, but it is what you make it by your advocacy and involvement.
Worse, ALPA is also is what you allow it to become by inaction and indifference.
Again my opinion.
08-01-2009, 03:27 AM
#4
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: MD11 CA (rtd.)
Posts: 318
Come on guys...of course they are, the did at Delta, they did at United, and they did at American, and they still do at Fedex.
Remember the ACP, LK? (jokingly known behind his back by other ACP's as Deputy Dawg) He even posted in the open with his name. The SCP also monitors...(motivations by LK for monitoring could be the topic of an entire thread on its own...)
They have everything to gain by monitoring the boards. If they find something that they feel they can link to "organized activities" by the union that might be viewed as illegal, they can get a court order by one of the many federal judges they use...gain an upper hand, take a hostage, cause the association to be on the defensive...even prevent us in advance from being allowed to go into legal self help.
If you think these blogs are anonymous, and freedom of speech applies and protects you...think again...
Fedex would have no problem getting a subpoena against APC to gain access to info and records or members, for any number reasons that can be justified.
Fedex doesn't keep that huge legal department around just for fun guys.
IMHO people talk way too much and freely on these boards, and it will do nothing but hurt individuals and the association in the long run.
If you want to truly make a difference, do more talking in the crew room and on trips, do committee work, and remember, management is not our friend. While there are some good guys in those positions, overall, they are not there to protect you, they protect Fedex.
ALPA isn't perfect, but it is what you make it by your advocacy and involvement.
Worse, ALPA is also is what you allow it to become by inaction and indifference.
Again my opinion.
Remember the ACP, LK? (jokingly known behind his back by other ACP's as Deputy Dawg) He even posted in the open with his name. The SCP also monitors...(motivations by LK for monitoring could be the topic of an entire thread on its own...)
They have everything to gain by monitoring the boards. If they find something that they feel they can link to "organized activities" by the union that might be viewed as illegal, they can get a court order by one of the many federal judges they use...gain an upper hand, take a hostage, cause the association to be on the defensive...even prevent us in advance from being allowed to go into legal self help.
If you think these blogs are anonymous, and freedom of speech applies and protects you...think again...
Fedex would have no problem getting a subpoena against APC to gain access to info and records or members, for any number reasons that can be justified.
Fedex doesn't keep that huge legal department around just for fun guys.
IMHO people talk way too much and freely on these boards, and it will do nothing but hurt individuals and the association in the long run.
If you want to truly make a difference, do more talking in the crew room and on trips, do committee work, and remember, management is not our friend. While there are some good guys in those positions, overall, they are not there to protect you, they protect Fedex.
ALPA isn't perfect, but it is what you make it by your advocacy and involvement.
Worse, ALPA is also is what you allow it to become by inaction and indifference.
Again my opinion.
FedEx Security is trolling these types of sites.
08-01-2009, 04:32 AM
#5
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Is there something in the TOS that prevents those pilots from logging on? Besides I think management pilots are too slow to catch any double entendres.
I say welcome to all. Let's talk baseball.
I still plan on cleaning out my bullpen of those 686 relief pitchers before I retire.
Not that that would be a double entendre.
I say welcome to all. Let's talk baseball.
I still plan on cleaning out my bullpen of those 686 relief pitchers before I retire.
Not that that would be a double entendre.
08-01-2009, 11:08 AM
#6
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Position: Tool Shed Investigator
Posts: 168
Wait, you guys don't post from throw-away laptops/hotspots?
There are FDX manglers with 1000+ posts on this board, so the river flows both ways. Litigation regarding anything posted would be a disaster, for both sides.
There are FDX manglers with 1000+ posts on this board, so the river flows both ways. Litigation regarding anything posted would be a disaster, for both sides.
08-01-2009, 05:10 PM
#8
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
08-01-2009, 06:53 PM
#9
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: 757
Posts: 42
Maybe the reason folks post here is because they have found it's one of the few places they have a voice. Other pilots tell me all the time that when they send an e-mail to the union, they rarely hear anything back. My experience is pretty much the same. I know the block reps and others are very busy, and I'm sure they get a ton of e-mail. Still, you'd think the minimum thing to do in a place where we use the word "professional" a lot would be to at least acknowledge they got the message. "Thanks, Capt Donuts, got your message." That's six words. Shoot, you can make a macro to can-spam a generic e-mail reply if you'd like. However you do it, I think the union reps should make some reply, however small, to every e-mail they get. Then, the folks in the trenches will at least know they've been heard.
08-01-2009, 07:34 PM
#10
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: A300CAP
Posts: 479
Anybody remember this?
FedEx Letter Brings Libel Suit
by Jacqueline Marino
A FORMER FEDEX PILOT WHO WAS a vocal member of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), is suing members of the current union for allegedly libeling him in a letter to FedEx management.
In a February 16, 1996, letter sent to CEO Fred Smith and other FedEx executives, one union member's wife asserted that Claude Barnhart, a 22-year FedEx employee, was "unbalanced," "mentally unstable," and harbored "a deep-seated malevolence," among other charges.
"This thing about labeling someone crazy. This is why there's no way I can get another flying job," Barnhart says.
Along with the letter, Barnhart says the woman sent FedEx executives copies of his CompuServe messages from an online forum of ALPA, the former pilots' union. In the colorful Internet messages, Barnhart derides some of his fellow pilots as "scabs" who crossed the "invisible picket line" after receiving a directive not to fly under certain circumstances from the national ALPA. In court documents, FedEx says the Internet messages were legally obtained.
In a previous lawsuit filed against FedEx in U.S. District Court last spring, Barnhart asserts the company suspended him without pay for communicating such pro-union sentiments. FedEx later fired him, he says, for refusing to submit to a psychiatric exam. Last April, however, a medical doctor said Barnhart was physically and psychologically competent to fly commercial jets.
In October 1996, the independent FedEx Pilots Association (FPA) unseated ALPA as the pilots' collective bargaining organization. The national ALPA angered many pilots in 1995 when it printed negative advertisements about FedEx in some national newspapers.
On Monday, FPA president Michael Akin said the organization had not formally received Barnhart's complaint, which was filed in Circuit Court February 13th. But Akin says he considers Barnhart's accusations "frivolous and without merit."
Barnhart seeks restitution on four counts altogether, for invasion of privacy, defamation/libel, and two counts of breach of contract. He has asked for consequential and punitive damages and attorneys' fees in excess of $31 million.
The suit against FedEx is currently pending. Spokeswoman Darlene Faquin says the company has no further comment.
_______________________________________
You're a fool if you think you are safe shooting your mouth off behind a pseudonym. Nothing is without consequenses.
by Jacqueline Marino
A FORMER FEDEX PILOT WHO WAS a vocal member of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), is suing members of the current union for allegedly libeling him in a letter to FedEx management.
In a February 16, 1996, letter sent to CEO Fred Smith and other FedEx executives, one union member's wife asserted that Claude Barnhart, a 22-year FedEx employee, was "unbalanced," "mentally unstable," and harbored "a deep-seated malevolence," among other charges.
"This thing about labeling someone crazy. This is why there's no way I can get another flying job," Barnhart says.
Along with the letter, Barnhart says the woman sent FedEx executives copies of his CompuServe messages from an online forum of ALPA, the former pilots' union. In the colorful Internet messages, Barnhart derides some of his fellow pilots as "scabs" who crossed the "invisible picket line" after receiving a directive not to fly under certain circumstances from the national ALPA. In court documents, FedEx says the Internet messages were legally obtained.
In a previous lawsuit filed against FedEx in U.S. District Court last spring, Barnhart asserts the company suspended him without pay for communicating such pro-union sentiments. FedEx later fired him, he says, for refusing to submit to a psychiatric exam. Last April, however, a medical doctor said Barnhart was physically and psychologically competent to fly commercial jets.
In October 1996, the independent FedEx Pilots Association (FPA) unseated ALPA as the pilots' collective bargaining organization. The national ALPA angered many pilots in 1995 when it printed negative advertisements about FedEx in some national newspapers.
On Monday, FPA president Michael Akin said the organization had not formally received Barnhart's complaint, which was filed in Circuit Court February 13th. But Akin says he considers Barnhart's accusations "frivolous and without merit."
Barnhart seeks restitution on four counts altogether, for invasion of privacy, defamation/libel, and two counts of breach of contract. He has asked for consequential and punitive damages and attorneys' fees in excess of $31 million.
The suit against FedEx is currently pending. Spokeswoman Darlene Faquin says the company has no further comment.
_______________________________________
You're a fool if you think you are safe shooting your mouth off behind a pseudonym. Nothing is without consequenses.
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