Archie Bunker

Does one statement cancel out the other...ya know, kinda like algebra?

FDXLAG

Actually I have become a nuance expert lately. One part of his statement is present tense one part is past tense. Therefore nuance wise, unless there is a star trek time continuance plot here, it is possible to not like unions in the present, but like what they have done in the past.

A social science way to look at it is; I didn't like that mussolini guy but hey the trains ran on time.

Gunter

Unlikely. But at least you stopped before we lost more benefits.

navigatro

When will the training bids be open/closed?

FDXLAG

Must you try to take over a brown thread? What have I stopped? What action have I ever taken that would cost us a benefit? Don't make baseless accusations on an anonymous web board unless you can back it up. Awaiting any specifics.

Gunter flys DPs.

767pilot

There was no secrecy about that. We were about 50mil short by their accounting

767pilot

Our plan could not be further from the ALPA plan, at least when I was there. In that plan you were billed quarterly for what the plan had sent out. Back then, you would get a statement showing who was collecting, and for some reason, it seemed to me as a regional pilot that everyone getting "sick" was at Eastern, Pan Am, or Braniff.

In our plan, you put money up front (escrow) and pay a smaller amount with each check. The plan lives off of that and the escrow accounts intrest and at the end of the year the members get a rebate check for what is left over.

Definitely not the cut an paste you seem to be accusing us of

L'il J.Seinfeld

So we have guys giving up pay and sick leave because the union says it has to be done. Our union said that if we were one penny short 300 guys WOULD be furloughed--all or nothing. Well, the truth was that they did not need every penny and the evidence is that we were 50 million short and we're all still here. We have plenty of folks working on half pay right now, that could be on full pay with no furloughs.

Something doesn't add up with our MOU. The fact that I am unable to articulate exactly what that is does not alleviate the mistrust I have. Remember what an awesome job the UAW did for its members? Their contract was so strong that workers were still paid nearly their full paychecks when they were no longer needed in the factory. That was ridiculous.

757upspilot

The UAW program was called the jobs bank and it was designed to keep the work from being outsourced, since the auto companies where paying the people why not have them produce a product instead of shipping the job to Mexico. The auto companies made the choice to pay and outsource anyway, and of course talk about how they where paying worthless UAW workers to sit around so that the uninformed and anti organized labor could talk about something.

TipTip35

Its like this. When the mafia or some thugs go to extort money from someone they say something like "you owe me $1000 and I want it Friday or I'm breaking your neck". The poor victim knows that the hoods are capable of doing just that and getting away with so he scraps together every penny he can throughout the week. Friday comes and he only has $900. The hoods show up and he tells them he can take them to $900 but thats all he has. The hoods now have a few choices (1) tell him its not good enough and break his neck as promised (2) just let him go (but risk looking weak and reducing the effect of future threats) or (3) take the $900 and tell him it bought him another week. Oh yeah and that they'll be back later for that other $100. The hoods dont really need a $1000 so they take the $900 b/c they are afterall just extorting money, they just wanted whatever they could get. $1000 was a goal for you to shoot for. Nice work!