FDX-HKG Ground Trans Accident!
06-11-2009, 05:33 PM
#22
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Near miss 2 days earlier!
I was in a van with another pilot going to CAN 2 nights before this accident occurred. We came as close to flipping a van over that you can without the actual flipping part. It was a result of our driver driving waaaay too fast and getting mixed up with a Chineese truck. We fishtailed our van several times and the other pilot and I were bracing for impact when luckily the driver pulled it out. I would say it would be hard to simulate that recovery again, it was probably pure luck, and that is no exageration.
It seems that there is a HUGE safety concern here. Is a van ride to the train not an option?
It seems that there is a HUGE safety concern here. Is a van ride to the train not an option?
06-11-2009, 06:38 PM
#24
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Hey guys, gals...... really, this is serious stuff. We really need to document and POR these instances. It's the only way things will get changed.
Absolutely -- when revenue is delayed for a GT issue it WILL get fixed. Whenever you're in ANY accident/incident on company time or in company provided and paid transportation, document and write it up.
Absolutely -- when revenue is delayed for a GT issue it WILL get fixed. Whenever you're in ANY accident/incident on company time or in company provided and paid transportation, document and write it up.
06-11-2009, 06:38 PM
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In case any of you have failed to notice, FDX doesn't give a rat's A$$ about any of us. They'd hire that driver to fly the airplane if they thought they could get away with it.
These things will only be fixed if we force it. Albie's right -- write!
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These things will only be fixed if we force it. Albie's right -- write!
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06-11-2009, 10:24 PM
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I also believe that our our rules REQUIRE us to restrict or suspend any operations where conditions are unsafe, until that condition is corrected. Don't let it slide, and be thankful that you lucked out and avoided an accident when the driver dozed off. The next crew might not be so lucky.
06-12-2009, 06:57 AM
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I'm afraid to say that if you're driving in China you're going to have the same problem no matter who you're driving with. The train is an option. As is the fast ferry (2 hour ferry ride. About a 30 min drive from CAN I think). The other option is flying. Dragonair flies HKG-CAN. Only once a day though so I don't know if the schedules would work out.
06-13-2009, 06:45 AM
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Idea for the next contract: Require the ground transport vendor to provide a driver who understands and speaks English. That way we can communicate with them. I think this would only be an issue in China because I can't think of any other country we operate in where the driver's don't speak English. And it so happens, this is where the driving (both our driver and everyone else around us) is so dangerous. Every drive to/from work in China is substantially more dangerous than anywhere else I can think of. To the Chinese, traffic lights and stripes on the road are merely suggestions, there's no traffic law enforcement to speak of, the driver's cannot communicate with the passengers, the driver's all seem to be falling asleep--they just went from rickshaw to car way too quickly.
06-13-2009, 06:49 AM
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Idea for the next contract: Require the ground transport vendor to provide a driver who understands and speaks English. That way we can communicate with them. I think this would only be an issue in China because I can't think of any other country we operate in where the driver's don't speak English. And it so happens, this is where the driving (both our driver and everyone else around us) is so dangerous...
06-13-2009, 04:45 PM
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Idea for the next contract: Require the ground transport vendor to provide a driver who understands and speaks English. That way we can communicate with them. I think this would only be an issue in China because I can't think of any other country we operate in where the driver's don't speak English. And it so happens, this is where the driving (both our driver and everyone else around us) is so dangerous. Every drive to/from work in China is substantially more dangerous than anywhere else I can think of. To the Chinese, traffic lights and stripes on the road are merely suggestions, there's no traffic law enforcement to speak of, the driver's cannot communicate with the passengers, the driver's all seem to be falling asleep--they just went from rickshaw to car way too quickly.
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