FDX-HKG Ground Trans Accident!
06-09-2009, 03:22 PM
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06-09-2009, 04:38 PM
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Fill out a report for both FDX and ALPA
If you don't let the union know, you actually think the company will let the union know?
The only thing that will make this change is you demonstrate liability, repeated through documentation of negligence.
The company has never fixed anything because they want to do the right thing, they do it because we have demonstrated a liability.
06-09-2009, 07:16 PM
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It's ludicrous to think that someone would ride a company supplied ground transport, and not report the fact that that vehicle got into an accident, both to the company as well as to the union. If you don't report it, you'll have absolutely no protection, when, a few days later, you wake up with a seriously strained neck, back, etc. There would be no way that the company would, after the fact, allow someone to go out on a worker's compensation claim, if they hadn't reported the incident to begin with. As well, as has been said in an earlier post, you're not doing your fellow aviators any good by keeping mum on the incident. At least allow the union the ability to track these accidents, in the hopes of eliminating the causes of these problems.
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06-10-2009, 01:20 AM
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Come on.....be honest! How many of us out there are going to say they've never dozed off on duty? We expect perfection from someone at a much lower level in a different food chain than we are? How many guys jumpseat into a trip & are falling asleep before top of climb? How many guys don't get some rest before a duty period (either right off the bat or in the field) & show up in no condition for their expected & compensated for duty period? In my opinion some of us don't hold ourselves to the same standard we expect of others.
06-10-2009, 04:02 AM
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Come on.....be honest! How many of us out there are going to say they've never dozed off on duty? We expect perfection from someone at a much lower level in a different food chain than we are? How many guys jumpseat into a trip & are falling asleep before top of climb? How many guys don't get some rest before a duty period (either right off the bat or in the field) & show up in no condition for their expected & compensated for duty period? In my opinion some of us don't hold ourselves to the same standard we expect of others.
06-10-2009, 04:38 AM
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Come on.....be honest! How many of us out there are going to say they've never dozed off on duty? We expect perfection from someone at a much lower level in a different food chain than we are? How many guys jumpseat into a trip & are falling asleep before top of climb? How many guys don't get some rest before a duty period (either right off the bat or in the field) & show up in no condition for their expected & compensated for duty period? In my opinion some of us don't hold ourselves to the same standard we expect of others.
Ahhh? We have 2 people in the cockpit...right? So instead of driving off the figurative side of the road.... the other guy just drives the plane.
Apples and oranges in my opinion....
06-10-2009, 07:45 AM
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Come on.....be honest! How many of us out there are going to say they've never dozed off on duty? We expect perfection from someone at a much lower level in a different food chain than we are? How many guys jumpseat into a trip & are falling asleep before top of climb? How many guys don't get some rest before a duty period (either right off the bat or in the field) & show up in no condition for their expected & compensated for duty period? In my opinion some of us don't hold ourselves to the same standard we expect of others.
06-10-2009, 10:36 AM
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Well, don't we have an option to call in Fatigued if we are tired, I don' think these limo drivers have that option. When I was over there, some of the captains were filling out ops reports and being cautioned, that they may lose there "good deal" in regards to a pick up point.
My thoughts, just like Oakland, if you get the guy who is unsafe and extra sleepy, refuse the ride and call ops.
My thoughts, just like Oakland, if you get the guy who is unsafe and extra sleepy, refuse the ride and call ops.
06-10-2009, 11:18 AM
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That's a good point you make. Didn't we have a van driver in ORD who would boast of only getting 2 or 3 hours of sleep a night. As well, I remember a driver in Boston who, while driving us to the hotel, missed his turnoff on the highway, so he stopped and started to back up. We all just about sh!t. He was the same guy who wouldn't let anyone ride in his limo with any kind of open drink, be it coffee, soda, water, etc. As Haywood says, if the ride seems too dangerous, have the guy stop and let you off. However, I'd not recommend that anywhere near Newark airport, Jamaica, Queens, The Bronx, or especially Memphis.
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