UPS MOU passed no furlough until April 2010!!
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
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06-09-2009, 04:11 PM
#67
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Unbelievable
The EB and UPS were able to come to an agreement and keep 300 people employed in a very uncertain economy due to the contributions of the IPA membership. Nobody involved(UPS, EB, or the membership) HAD to care about a furlough. Furloughs are SOP in this business. Rather than coming together and enjoying this major accomplishment, many of you prefer to dwell on the negative and cast stones at each other. You all should be ashamed...or at least grow up.
06-09-2009, 04:21 PM
#68
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I know you can...
I just think it's inappropriate or at least very uncool to comment on peoples' private lives whether your name is freightpuppy (that's you real name, right?
), Cougar or whatever name you may pick here on APC...
Just my ½ €¢ which soon will be equal to $100…
I just think it's inappropriate or at least very uncool to comment on peoples' private lives whether your name is freightpuppy (that's you real name, right?
), Cougar or whatever name you may pick here on APC... Just my ½ €¢ which soon will be equal to $100…
06-09-2009, 04:29 PM
#69
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It's a great victory. In 2012, UPS will have a more united IPA than a divided one. Disagree with those who believe UPS will get concessions. We offered up a collection plate for ourselves, the IPA, line pilots in all airlines, not just UPS or the 300.
UPS had a legitimate business rational to furlough. Wall Street expects good management. So do I. A good stock price benefits a line pilot. Profits are where we are going to get our contract improvements. UPS has to maintain street credibility. You park a fleet of DC-8's, business demands that you furlough. Just business. Lots of naysayers on both sides. Guess what, they saw the majority deliver a new unified IPA. However, those who are bitter have to let it go, now that this MOU has survived, it may cause other to reconsider. Positive is better than vinegar. Positive pilot to pilot comms is better than angry reprisals, personal attacks and comments.
For those that regret giving, it's OK, however, you have much to be proud. Don't need a pin to walk tall. We are all indebted. We, the entire IPA, have demonstrated a new strength in pilot unions that will help turn the tide in our industry. Not dissappointed at all. Looking fwd to my short VLOA this year and next. Great oppportunity.
UPS had a legitimate business rational to furlough. Wall Street expects good management. So do I. A good stock price benefits a line pilot. Profits are where we are going to get our contract improvements. UPS has to maintain street credibility. You park a fleet of DC-8's, business demands that you furlough. Just business. Lots of naysayers on both sides. Guess what, they saw the majority deliver a new unified IPA. However, those who are bitter have to let it go, now that this MOU has survived, it may cause other to reconsider. Positive is better than vinegar. Positive pilot to pilot comms is better than angry reprisals, personal attacks and comments.
For those that regret giving, it's OK, however, you have much to be proud. Don't need a pin to walk tall. We are all indebted. We, the entire IPA, have demonstrated a new strength in pilot unions that will help turn the tide in our industry. Not dissappointed at all. Looking fwd to my short VLOA this year and next. Great oppportunity.
06-09-2009, 04:33 PM
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SB,
I agree with what you say, in general terms. Not to be a realist, but even though the MOU was a great achievement it is not the end game. IMHO, it is a purchase of time until the next furlough excercise.
It is too bad that the safety folks and operations folks from both the IPA/UPS Corp. don't sit down and identify ways to save money in how we do business versus how much the pilot group can give up.
For example, maybe better aircraft stairs in ANC might reduce the number of Workmen's Comp claims. Maybe more accurate flight planning using feedback from crews could lead to fuel savings, maybe the addition of waivers from the FAA may help to streamline our Ops Specs and in turn our cost of operating. To me, a savings is a savings. Put another way, $20 buys me 4 Jager shots whether I find it on the street or from the ATM.
My memory isn't the greatest, but I remember back when oil was near $150/bbl the company solicited ideas for cost savings. When the price of oil collapsed, these ideas never were mentioned again. However, months later the company needed $54 million in savings. And, rather than working smarter, we had to work less. Even a mixture of the two would be win-win.
SB, your points are well-taken. I just wonder if the IPA/UPS would be open to looking for other sources of savings rather then the route of under-employment.
Back to Igloo,
FF
I agree with what you say, in general terms. Not to be a realist, but even though the MOU was a great achievement it is not the end game. IMHO, it is a purchase of time until the next furlough excercise.
It is too bad that the safety folks and operations folks from both the IPA/UPS Corp. don't sit down and identify ways to save money in how we do business versus how much the pilot group can give up.
For example, maybe better aircraft stairs in ANC might reduce the number of Workmen's Comp claims. Maybe more accurate flight planning using feedback from crews could lead to fuel savings, maybe the addition of waivers from the FAA may help to streamline our Ops Specs and in turn our cost of operating. To me, a savings is a savings. Put another way, $20 buys me 4 Jager shots whether I find it on the street or from the ATM.
My memory isn't the greatest, but I remember back when oil was near $150/bbl the company solicited ideas for cost savings. When the price of oil collapsed, these ideas never were mentioned again. However, months later the company needed $54 million in savings. And, rather than working smarter, we had to work less. Even a mixture of the two would be win-win.
SB, your points are well-taken. I just wonder if the IPA/UPS would be open to looking for other sources of savings rather then the route of under-employment.
Back to Igloo,
FF
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