UPS MOU passed no furlough until April 2010!!
06-08-2009, 09:42 PM
#41
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
Freightpuppy, getting 67% of a large pilot group to volunteer for a hit to their paychecks is simply unheard of. If this vote had been done at American Airlines, maybe 10% would have volunteered. Trust me.
Had we gotten 90% participation, you'd be carping about the selfish 10%. Take a big picture view and appreciate that what we all did is truly historic. Bob Miller can take the credit for leading this successful effort to keep hundreds of pilots employed between now and at least April, 2010
Had we gotten 90% participation, you'd be carping about the selfish 10%. Take a big picture view and appreciate that what we all did is truly historic. Bob Miller can take the credit for leading this successful effort to keep hundreds of pilots employed between now and at least April, 2010
06-08-2009, 09:44 PM
#42
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
I am going RDG next bid period till next spring and many various months beyond. I am disgusted that some pilots who did not volunteer get to make tons of money while I can't pick up open time.
This is not unionism, its socialism.
Looking back at my decision I would have preferred the furlough.
RDG'ers not being able to pick up open time while non volunteers can needs to be fixed........and does not make any sense.
This is not unionism, its socialism.
Looking back at my decision I would have preferred the furlough.
RDG'ers not being able to pick up open time while non volunteers can needs to be fixed........and does not make any sense.
I agree with you about the OT though. As far as socialism.....well, that's par for the course (LOL)....look at our country's president.
06-08-2009, 09:46 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: A cushion seat
Posts: 171
I am going RDG next bid period till next spring and many various months beyond. I am disgusted that some pilots who did not volunteer get to make tons of money while I can't pick up open time.
This is not unionism, its socialism.
Looking back at my decision I would have preferred the furlough.
RDG'ers not being able to pick up open time while non volunteers can needs to be fixed........and does not make any sense.
This is not unionism, its socialism.
Looking back at my decision I would have preferred the furlough.
RDG'ers not being able to pick up open time while non volunteers can needs to be fixed........and does not make any sense.
06-08-2009, 10:06 PM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: MD-11 Guru
Posts: 210
Let's Take a Step back and appreciate
I am appreciative that we have all been able, through all of our efforts and commitments, to stop the threat of furlough for the time being. My understanding is, that we could be announcing the 90 day time clock for the furlough and the associated bid with displacements and such that would be extremely detrimental for many of us. This is not happening. Lets all look forward to a chance at stability. We will work out the details, moving forward as a family. We can all choose to find the flaws, or the good, it is really up to us. I choose to find the good.
We took a clearly, contractually defined situation and moved outside the box. The ideas came from everyone, the most viable ideas were enacted, and the majority followed through on faith, more will follow on experience.
Lets take a step back a appreciate.
We have a target for later in the year, we will reach that target in time. The black helicopters are at bay for now.
The volunteerism is spread throughout the group. Please look to the left, right, or back (IRO), and say thanks for you your contribution. It IS there, really, it is.
We are in a groundbreaking place, I am impressed and proud as an IPA member.
We took a clearly, contractually defined situation and moved outside the box. The ideas came from everyone, the most viable ideas were enacted, and the majority followed through on faith, more will follow on experience.
Lets take a step back a appreciate.
We have a target for later in the year, we will reach that target in time. The black helicopters are at bay for now.
The volunteerism is spread throughout the group. Please look to the left, right, or back (IRO), and say thanks for you your contribution. It IS there, really, it is.
We are in a groundbreaking place, I am impressed and proud as an IPA member.
06-08-2009, 11:40 PM
#45
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Working
Posts: 44
Remember and Educate
"I think it's great but I still want to vomit when I think of the ones that wouldn't even donate ONE HOUR OF SICK TIME....INEXCUSEABLE!" - Freightpuppy
As the results of this last attack on our contract unfolds, I can’t help but remember how amazed I was that this membership decided to switch gears during the last contract negotiations by voting in a new president. I’m not taking anything away from the contract that was eventually presented to the membership for a vote or the following administration. In retrospect the five year contract that was voted on (argued against heatedly) ended up being positive in light of the economic landscape at this time. I am disturbed by the message the membership sent to the company by not having a solid showing of support for the leadership, which apparently is continued on a regular basis by some.
The number of members who decided to take part in the MOU, still shows the heart of this union. To point fingers and refer negatively to the members who did not take part in this MOU is staying the course of divisiveness. Make no mistake, the company has sole responsibility for any furlough that would of occurred this year or any other year in the future, not the IPA. The membership should be commended for the effort made to honor the MOU; including the members who were unable to take part in it. The idea of passing out ‘pins’ and wanting a list of those who contributed to the MOU in order to determine who is worthy in this organization is embarrassing. The idea that anyone has the right to judge or ‘police’ another for their personal financial situation or their right to work at the company they were hired by within the confines of the contract that was voted in should give one pause. I wonder how many other places of employment follow the same code of conduct in which an employee is ridiculed by his fellow employees because he/she chooses to work overtime, not take a sick day, etc. For that matter, what other union has fought as hard for potential furloughees as this one?
As the understanding of this MOU was all or nothing, the company will not be the only one with buyer’s remorse. While it is a relief that the furlough has been averted for 10 months, this was not the terms that the membership volunteered for. However you want to wrap your thoughts around it, there are many who have sacrificed quite a bit who might well feel resentment towards others with less commitment. The company may not of managed to open up the contract at this time, but they have definitely gotten the desired effect they were looking for - money and continued fracturing of the union. There is only way to remedy that. Perhaps it might be a good time to look in our own mirrors and stop looking at the rear and side view ones.
Glad the 300 will remain on the property for the next 10 months. It was nice that the company gave a refresher course on how they operate and just how much they care about their employees. Remember it and educate the ones who come behind you.
As the results of this last attack on our contract unfolds, I can’t help but remember how amazed I was that this membership decided to switch gears during the last contract negotiations by voting in a new president. I’m not taking anything away from the contract that was eventually presented to the membership for a vote or the following administration. In retrospect the five year contract that was voted on (argued against heatedly) ended up being positive in light of the economic landscape at this time. I am disturbed by the message the membership sent to the company by not having a solid showing of support for the leadership, which apparently is continued on a regular basis by some.
The number of members who decided to take part in the MOU, still shows the heart of this union. To point fingers and refer negatively to the members who did not take part in this MOU is staying the course of divisiveness. Make no mistake, the company has sole responsibility for any furlough that would of occurred this year or any other year in the future, not the IPA. The membership should be commended for the effort made to honor the MOU; including the members who were unable to take part in it. The idea of passing out ‘pins’ and wanting a list of those who contributed to the MOU in order to determine who is worthy in this organization is embarrassing. The idea that anyone has the right to judge or ‘police’ another for their personal financial situation or their right to work at the company they were hired by within the confines of the contract that was voted in should give one pause. I wonder how many other places of employment follow the same code of conduct in which an employee is ridiculed by his fellow employees because he/she chooses to work overtime, not take a sick day, etc. For that matter, what other union has fought as hard for potential furloughees as this one?
As the understanding of this MOU was all or nothing, the company will not be the only one with buyer’s remorse. While it is a relief that the furlough has been averted for 10 months, this was not the terms that the membership volunteered for. However you want to wrap your thoughts around it, there are many who have sacrificed quite a bit who might well feel resentment towards others with less commitment. The company may not of managed to open up the contract at this time, but they have definitely gotten the desired effect they were looking for - money and continued fracturing of the union. There is only way to remedy that. Perhaps it might be a good time to look in our own mirrors and stop looking at the rear and side view ones.
Glad the 300 will remain on the property for the next 10 months. It was nice that the company gave a refresher course on how they operate and just how much they care about their employees. Remember it and educate the ones who come behind you.
06-09-2009, 04:10 AM
#46
Tri-tanic operator
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Doggie
Posts: 2,382
But couldn't you just feel the Big Brown love these last few months ?
”This is another example of UPS’s commitment to its employees and their families,” said Bob Lekites, UPS Airlines president.
His lips are flappin, blah,blah,blah
06-09-2009, 05:27 AM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A300 Capt
Posts: 156
Congratulations to your group (67%) and your Executive Board for this creative solution that will prevent furloughs. It is also very impressive that the names of the participants and independent contractors are made public.
Purple is learning from Brown
Purple is learning from Brown
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