Commando

If you haven't noticed, we haven't been unified for a long time. The last contract was what 54-46%. And it only passed imho, because of the 40K bonus to anyone here over a year. Everyone knows it. That was more than a whole years pay. Yes, I will walk anytime if UPS pushes it. And the reality is, a MOU and a Contract Vote are two different separate animals. You should be glad many are stepping up who never said they would. 1400 vs. 800 who answered in the Survey.

highsky

Thanks for clearing that up. I appreciate the reply.

Being in a fully-ready position, by being fat on pilots when the economy rebounds, is why I've always believed that Atlanta would also very much prefer not to furlough, especially when they see that Memphis has kept all the extra pilots on property, current and qualified, ready to fly, with all the excess capacity they need.

That said, I have also believed that Atlanta likes to keep up with the Jones' (Memphis). So, when the FedEx pilots took the giant pay hit, UPS went after the IPA for the same.

Like I've said, UPS WILL get their savings, one way or another. If UPS doesn't get what they want out of this MOU, they WILL furlough, if for no other reason than to save face. I hope I'm wrong on this last point.

Naven

Your right, we have not been unified in a long time. I voted yes on the contract because I thought the EB was dysfunctional and I did not believe we would get a better offer in a reasonable amount of time.

As of now 1400 of us can't even donate a minimum amount of sick time to the cause to get the participation #'s up. If the MOU works they would even be able to pick up an opentime trip so they wouldn't be out anything. I'm sorry there is no excuse for us not having 100% participation.

freightdawg

OUR union, or YOUR union (the guys still on property).

Gud Luk wid dat

highsky

Exactly.

All they need to do is take a RDG for a bid period or two. Instead of working two weeks a month, they work just one. THEN, in their three weeks off, they pick up an Open Time trip, making up for the week they sacrificed in the RDG. At the end of the day, THEY HAVEN'T LOST A PENNY! Plus, they will have saved jobs, and demonstrated to UPS and their IPA brothers that we are, in fact, a solid union that is not to be F'd with.

Absolutely NO excuse for not participating! NONE.

If we can't get better participation, and/or if this MOU doesn't pass, there will be some very uncomfortable layovers between those who participated, and those who couldn't be bothered with it. I will be "slam-clicking," and doing my own thing.

And to the non-participating Captains who want to assuage their conscience by buying me a sympathy drink at the bar after I return from my three-year, 100% paycut: They can stick that drink where the sun doesn't shine. I won't be interested.

To all those who have, or will contribute to save the 300, and preserve a high quality of life for the remaining 2600, I am grateful. Thanks for your support. I'm proud to be your brother.

highsky
P.O.W. 300

viktorbravo

I started to get into this melee on the first page then thought better of it after a while, but I still cant keep my keyboard quiet.

Its at 54% participation now, but thats still woefully unacceptable. I really was optimistic that we could get at least 80% participation.

While I commend everyone who signed up, I cant help but feel a little animosity to those that didnt do a darned thing.

Do those folks not understand that they will be affected by a furlough eventhough they are safe from hitting the street? Can they not see the pink elephant sitting in the room?

Downgrades, forced domicile changes, forced into commuting, losing bidding power, crappy schedules, crappy QOL, no OT/JA, etc.

As a previous poster put it there really is no excuse for non-participation. 10 hours of RDG is easy, just dont buy your 7 dollar coffee, dont buy that new computer for a while, or simply pick up that 10 hours in another month, its not that difficult. One would think that people would do something to help themselves, but I guess they would rather be slapped and feel the real pain.

Commando

Like I said earlier, by 2014, everyone IF furloughed will be back on property. So it's OUR union. I see a max of two years out, if that long. And most likely around 150. So there will be no consessions given for the "Hostages" still out like FF implied.

freightdawg

I understand your stance, even though I don't necessarily agree with you. My point is that, seeing the level of participation and attitudes of about half the pilot population, we are now broken into those who are threatened, and those who are not.

Irregardless of whether or not any furloughs actually happen.

Damage done, lesson learned. I came from the dog-eat-dog world of the non-sched cargo carriers, and as a group, we wouldn't treat each other like this. I've learned my new lesson - look out for No. 1 only while at UPS.

PS: "concessions" has two "c"s in it

Buck92

And "irregardless" is not a word.

"Merriam–Webster even states 'Use regardless instead.' "

Freightpuppy

Yeah....that's it...LOL!