Thank You Team IPA
05-30-2009, 07:26 PM
#31
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Guys aren't livid because there are no contract concessions, but because of the (so far) poor participation level, and the mounting stories/excuses from those who will not participate as they try to rationalize their decision - when most of them will benefit from this as well!
05-30-2009, 10:36 PM
#32
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Position: B737 CA
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THANK YOU TEAM IPA! YOU MADE A TOUGH DECISION EASY. I was really on the fence of whether to keep paying my mortgage or stop paying and go for an Obama Home bailout. Since I'm a bottom 300IPA r and the true IPA unity has been shown every penny i now make will need to go to a furlough savings account to help feed my three children for the next three years, I 'am officially done paying my mortgage! Perhaps I will be able to live in my IPA home for the next year rent free during the long slow foreclosure/modification process.
GO TEAM IPA! and please spare me any unity speeches for the next 25yrs of employment.
GO TEAM IPA! and please spare me any unity speeches for the next 25yrs of employment.
Its not? 2/3 rd's of the pilot group is saying F you to the rest. There is no unity here. From now on I will pick up JA's and open time as I see fit. Even after called back. If anyone gives me crap over it all I have to say is remember 2009 !!!! and the tight brotherhood. I will be here to make up for lost income only and I do not care if I ever get a leg. I land like crap anyway.....
Bid 18 months of RDG
Bid 18 months of RDG
I understand you guys are angry but please try to hold off on such flame until the results are in next week this thing is in the hands of the fence riders.
for what its worth I have a mortgage, no money after surviving first year pay, no job prospects, and a kid who must be in a private school.
Good luck to all!!!
05-30-2009, 11:48 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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sardinesnack,
Understand the frustration. It ain't over yet though. Pouring vinegar might be better held for a later time. Not in the final turn of the race. Perhaps a reflection of your own attitude expressed in your last comment explains some of our challenge now harbored by those you despise. Don't perpetutate it or you will be a bitter man for along time and be the guy who doesn't support the junior 300 20 years from now in another circumstance. You become whom you despise. Break the chain man <g> Break the chain. Hold steady, a long process at work to save you and me in this union gig. Mutual support is key. Even if it is only some, a third have joined together and it is still growing.
Understand the frustration. It ain't over yet though. Pouring vinegar might be better held for a later time. Not in the final turn of the race. Perhaps a reflection of your own attitude expressed in your last comment explains some of our challenge now harbored by those you despise. Don't perpetutate it or you will be a bitter man for along time and be the guy who doesn't support the junior 300 20 years from now in another circumstance. You become whom you despise. Break the chain man <g> Break the chain. Hold steady, a long process at work to save you and me in this union gig. Mutual support is key. Even if it is only some, a third have joined together and it is still growing.
Great post SD.
Everyone can point a finger, whine, complain, and become what they despise: but to what end? Will you become healthier, more prosperous, or happier? There's nothing comfortable about what's about to happen, either way.
I've listened to people who think that if they experienced ill fate, then it's only “just” that others experience they same fate. This logic only perpetuates anger and ill will towards others to no end. If we harbor anger for those who we believe meant us harm, then we are harmed. For those who sacrificed for the 300, thank you. Those of you who support the IPA, thank you also.
05-31-2009, 03:25 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
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I tend to agree with Victor. The economy caused the furlough. UPS made a smart business move. The IPA is trying to help but it's probably a lost cause. Don't blame this on the IPA. The IPA has done their best and gone beyond what other unions would do to try and help the junior folks.
Trust me. Blasting the IPA in this manner makes me have no sympathy for you. ...
Trust me. Blasting the IPA in this manner makes me have no sympathy for you. ...
Respectfully, I differ in your opinion. The IPA is each and every one of us that carries a union card, each one of us with an IPA lanyard for our UPS I.D. badge, each of us that receives the IPNN email everyday. The IPA is not just B.M. or the 5 or so guys on the E.B. It is each and every one of us. When the company violates the contract, no matter who among us it injures, our union's job is to resolve, grieve and if so needed; resolve the issue.
Recently, the union resolved a tax issue with the company. That tax issues doesn't affect me, but I'm glad the IPA went to bat for those that it affected. I guess I could have had the attitude of, Why is the IPA wasting it's time with this tax issue when it doesn't affect me, that's not where I want my tax dues being spent. But that's not what a union does.
Coming full circle, when you say don't blame it on the IPA that the MOU didn't pass, then who do we blame it on? We, the IPA members have not achieved our goal. Each of us, with our plastic IPA union card has a chance to pitch in, we are the IPA, and we only to date have 50% participation.
In addition, you say the IPA has done their best. The Exec Board has done a commendable job. However, only half of the IPA members-which is who the IPA is-have contributed. If you can honestly say that 50% participation is going above and beyond, I will not contest you, but I respectfully have a difference of opinion.
FF
05-31-2009, 12:18 PM
#37
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Posts: 653
How would you ever have a good trip then at most airlines. They have almost all laid off pilots. It seems to me the IPA pilots have tried the hardest without giving concessions to keep pilots on the payroll.
05-31-2009, 12:45 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 160
Can you help a FDX pilot understand the issues here? I don't understand the terms being used. Would it be true to say that each IPA pilot is asked to take a month off without pay and if this is done, UPS management agrees to not furlough for some specified length of time?
05-31-2009, 02:03 PM
#39
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Posts: 99
With exception to the few HKG & 757 pilots, it's an across the board a shared $$$ sacrifice to keep pilots on the payroll. But that's our problem, the majority of the group voted for this contract and didn't see this coming, who really can say they did.
05-31-2009, 02:31 PM
#40
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Unbelievable.
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