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Old 06-01-2009, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Squeegee man
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I take it you didn't choose to participate in the MOU Squeegee man?
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Squeegee man
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Wahhhhhhhhhh
He's BACK ...
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:54 PM
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Ask yourself one question, do you really think UPS is going to walk away from such a substantial amount of savings and if so, can you imagine the spin doctor's press release if they do? The flip side is this will be the starting point for 2012 negotiations.
I hope they don't walk away from these savings. Will the union accept a partial furlough from this MOU? All or nothing, as dictated from the IPA. In our current economic situation, don't think the public gives two shi## about 300 or less pilots making 120K hitting the bricks. The flip side to 2012 is what are we going to have to give up to bring our brothers and sisters back?
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Old 06-01-2009, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew

I don't deem it inappropriate for anyone facing a complete loss of income in the next few months to pick-up open time while they still can.
Seeing how OT is considered "overtime" in terms of labor you've got to admit a certain irony that those facing layoff are working overtime (in essence demonstrating to the company it can operate with less personnel)?
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
Seeing how OT is considered "overtime" in terms of labor you've got to admit a certain irony that those facing layoff are working overtime (in essence demonstrating to the company it can operate with less personnel)?
Under "normal" circumstances, I see the irony that you see in the OT issue. We probably agree on this more than you would believe ... FWIW

But when you consider that 240+ DC8 crewmembers are doing absolutely nothing, just waiting to replace "the bottom 300" in a manner of speaking.

In this case, there is no doubt that the UPS system will function normally with less crewmembers, with or without open time pick-ups ... IMHO
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
Under "normal" circumstances, I see the irony that you see in the OT issue. We probably agree on this more than you would believe ... FWIW

But when you consider that 240+ DC8 crewmembers are doing absolutely nothing, just waiting to replace "the bottom 300" in a manner of speaking. In this case, there is no doubt that the UPS system will function normally with less crewmembers ... IMHO
So... just to be clear... because apparently I've been living in a cloud this year trying to support the bottom 300... you're saying it's OK for everyone to have at the open time trough?
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:11 PM
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Since we are SO FAR off topic, I'll finish with this ...

Open time flying by IPA members isn't responsible for lowering our staffing levels. And it is not what saves us from service failures either ...

FQM flying and MEF are the elephant standing in our tent.

Again ... IMHO !

which is worth next to nothing ....
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
Since we are SO FAR off topic, I'll finish with this ...

Open time flying by IPA members isn't responsible for lowering our staffing levels. And it is not what saves us from service failures either ...

FQM flying and MEF are the elephant standing in our tent.

Again ... IMHO !

which is worth next to nothing ....
I swear I'm ready to say the heck with these Unofficial discouragements of picking up OT... it seems only the saps participate! No wonder the numbers on the MOU are so low. Do you think there's any coincidence?
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Old 06-01-2009, 06:43 PM
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I swear I'm ready to say the heck with these Unofficial discouragements of picking up OT... it seems only the saps participate! No wonder the numbers on the MOU are so low. Do you think there's any coincidence?
Why poke at these guys? If you disagree so be it, but do it with some class. Its a tough night for a lot of people.
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Originally Posted by Avg Joe
I swear I'm ready to say the heck with these Unofficial discouragements of picking up OT... it seems only the saps participate! No wonder the numbers on the MOU are so low. Do you think there's any coincidence?
Proud sap here<. And everywhere else I've ever worked. No open time, no sick restoration, and I'm unavailable for JA. I'm much happier for it.
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