OK I'm done
05-30-2009, 05:51 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757/767 Capt
Posts: 649
Salty,
Thanks, part of me loves the desert and all the mil flying, so while I may be ticked-off at the guys that don't participate, I won't be suffering as much as some may think. I do have a question to ask you that may benefit the MOU alot from my personal contribution......If I sign up for 2 months mil leave as per the ground rules, but my orders are cut for 180 days, can the union get the 180 days credit towards the tally?
call me or reply here
numbers in the IPA directory use the cell as I'm here in SDF 757 initial
CA
Thanks
Thanks, part of me loves the desert and all the mil flying, so while I may be ticked-off at the guys that don't participate, I won't be suffering as much as some may think. I do have a question to ask you that may benefit the MOU alot from my personal contribution......If I sign up for 2 months mil leave as per the ground rules, but my orders are cut for 180 days, can the union get the 180 days credit towards the tally?
call me or reply here
numbers in the IPA directory use the cell as I'm here in SDF 757 initial
CA
Thanks
05-30-2009, 06:01 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
Hopefully, we will unite in the next week.
I dont see it happening. Sad, but True. The game is over. Half way there and 4 days to go. So the next question is, what is UPS going to do? Remember the ALL or Nothing. I don't believe it for a second. UPS will be coming to the Union to see if they can still get some savings. And Reduce the Furlough. And UPS will Furlough. This is the Second time they have gone down this path. They would lose huge credibility if they dont Furlough some.
But 300 ain't happening.
I dont see it happening. Sad, but True. The game is over. Half way there and 4 days to go. So the next question is, what is UPS going to do? Remember the ALL or Nothing. I don't believe it for a second. UPS will be coming to the Union to see if they can still get some savings. And Reduce the Furlough. And UPS will Furlough. This is the Second time they have gone down this path. They would lose huge credibility if they dont Furlough some.
But 300 ain't happening.
You are getting people to contribute that never indicated that they would participate at all and yet some insist on slandering the very pilots that they need to help them.
05-30-2009, 06:26 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757/767 Capt
Posts: 649
757UPSPilot,
I agree its voluntary, however after such an effort was made to include many options, some of which are painless to most, like the 10 hour RDG, how can anyone say they can't help, obviously some really can't due to various reasons, but the VAST MAJORITY should!! no excuse....Are you telling me some 2/3 of our guys can't give up 10 hours for a bid period or 2??
PLEAAASE
I agree its voluntary, however after such an effort was made to include many options, some of which are painless to most, like the 10 hour RDG, how can anyone say they can't help, obviously some really can't due to various reasons, but the VAST MAJORITY should!! no excuse....Are you telling me some 2/3 of our guys can't give up 10 hours for a bid period or 2??
PLEAAASE
05-30-2009, 06:26 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 222
This was started as a voluntary , look it up, program and it has been turned it to a program of contribute or be humiliated and vilified as selfish.
You are getting people to contribute that never indicated that they would participate at all and yet some insist on slandering the very pilots that they need to help them.
You are getting people to contribute that never indicated that they would participate at all and yet some insist on slandering the very pilots that they need to help them.
If we had much higher participation and still were not at the dollar amount you would not see such anger.
05-30-2009, 07:19 AM
#35
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,144
If everyone WHO said they would participate in what they indicated they would, we would not be in this position. I have no issue with those who never indicated they would participate. It is those who said they would I have issue with.
05-30-2009, 08:38 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
757UPSPilot,
I agree its voluntary, however after such an effort was made to include many options, some of which are painless to most, like the 10 hour RDG, how can anyone say they can't help, obviously some really can't due to various reasons, but the VAST MAJORITY should!! no excuse....Are you telling me some 2/3 of our guys can't give up 10 hours for a bid period or 2??
PLEAAASE
I agree its voluntary, however after such an effort was made to include many options, some of which are painless to most, like the 10 hour RDG, how can anyone say they can't help, obviously some really can't due to various reasons, but the VAST MAJORITY should!! no excuse....Are you telling me some 2/3 of our guys can't give up 10 hours for a bid period or 2??
PLEAAASE
Yes I contributed and I indicated none of the options in the survey
05-30-2009, 08:41 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
Obviously it is voluntary. However a furlough will affect every single IPA pilot negatively. They have changed the MOU to make it easy to contribute 10 hours of sick time. This is an easy call for every one on the list.
If we had much higher participation and still were not at the dollar amount you would not see such anger.
If we had much higher participation and still were not at the dollar amount you would not see such anger.
05-30-2009, 08:44 AM
#38
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Posts: 1,235
Attacking the pilots you want something from is not going to help you, people quit listening even if it would be beneficial for them to listen.
05-30-2009, 08:56 AM
#39
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Posts: 222
Its very likely that those who said they would took a look at the offer the company made and found it wouldn't work. Expectations of what the company would offer are where probably to high.
Attacking the pilots you want something from is not going to help you, people quit listening even if it would be beneficial for them to listen.
Attacking the pilots you want something from is not going to help you, people quit listening even if it would be beneficial for them to listen.
05-30-2009, 09:07 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
While I tend to agree with you telling someone else what they should do and the riding on someone elses back comment isn't going to help you get volunteers.
