freightdawg

Please refer to Slide 2 of Andy Murphy's presentation on the IPA site. They already ARE running the airline with that many guys, plus about 240 sitting idle.

Slice

Running it without the opentime/JA ban, with JA calls going out quite frequently from what I hear...

J Dawg

Every 300er, or every 300er, every CA about to be displaced, every CA and FO who likes their current bidding power, every CA and FO to be displaced to ANC, and every CA and FO who barely can hold the trips they desire to see their "girlfriends" in CRK, VCP, and BOG?

This should NOT be on the backs of the bottom 300. Yes, we have the most to lose, therefore I signed up for RDG for all of 2009, and substantial parts of 2010 and 2011. But the notion we should "self furlough" is a bit over the top. I'm not gonna "self furlough" so that those that "already have theirs" (someone actually said that on the B&G) can keep their CRK trips or whatever.

What about next year then? Self furlough again? Whats the difference then with a real furlough?

My point is this is a team effort, 90% of us have something at stake. Thankfully it looks like the volunteers are coming from all over the seniority list, so the rant above hopefully is not a factor. I just have an issue with the notion that the bottom 300 should self furlough when we are only a fraction of the folks affected.

EVERYONE should contribute!!

Flame away

J Dawg

I still find it strange that 2010 has SUBSTANTIALLY more savings than 2009!

Yes, there is more time in 2010, and it takes time to figure out Military leaves and long term LOAs. Perhaps that's where the issue is at. But all that is dead if we don't meet 2009 goals.

If only half of the savings acquired so far in 2010 and 2011 were for 2009, we'd be so close to the $40 million for 2009.

SaltyDog

Well, there you go, the Q&A folks will be in the SDF sort tonight to do Q&A and help folks sign up. Good job!
Good luck to us all, been on the phone working some money for the pot....

FR8TFLYER

Salty-

Good on ya!. I did the same thing recently, trying to get the uninformed clued in and the others off their duff to sign up. We all will be affected, not just the bottom 300.

Naven

I know that is my point. The 240 guys are not trained yet, so we are not very much overstaffed on all the other seats. If you bid RDG for the next 2 bid periods there is no way UPS could cover all the flying with 30 - 60 lines built to 37.5 hours. If the MOU works after the DC8 guys are trained it will be easier.

freightdawg

And as soon as the 240 are trained, that's 240 guys off the bottom, without breaking a sweat.

Nevermind - you're not gonna do anything for anybody else, and I'm not gonna be able to convince you otherwise. That's your choice.

Hope you enjoy your job for the next three years while 300 familes are jobless.

Rah, IPA Solidarity.

bifff15

And another thing...

After the furlough, and the big seat swaps where people end up where they don't want to be what then. Well, the economy will eventually recover and UPS will eventually recall however there will be a catch. Instead of having bids UPS will put them right where they want them. That way UPS will save having to move guys to / from ANC and retrain the ANC guys.

Everyone needs to realize that this event will go beyond three years and a near term hit to the pocket.

Good luck, we are ALL counting on YOU!

Naven

Dude, you have the wrong guy. I am 110% in support of this program. I am signed up for a bid period of each JS RDG and Short term VLOA this year and am in the process of signing up for a bid period of JS in 2010 and 2011.

The point of my previous post is UPS can't honor all the RDG requests for the next couple of bid periods because we are not that overstaffed on the currentl planes flying. Most of our overstaffing is the 240 guys off the 8 waiting to be trained.