UPS - Thought about Furlough Prevention
05-16-2009, 09:34 AM
#51
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 38
say that again,
I don't mean any disrespect, but we've got to stop digging up who won/lost on the last contract, age 65, nicholson vs. miller, etc. Just about everyone in our group can say they've already had to sacrifice something already. By your logic, the junior members who had to live under the FO B scale have already sacrificed for the senior members by working for less while Captains enjoyed better wages and retirement. My point is, we've got to stop talking about the past and move forward. There are no winners in the junior vs. senior, old vs. young debate!
I think this could be a great turning point to put some of these things behind us and all get on the same page. I have no doubt that we'll get great support from top to bottom. Rather than worry about rehashing the past, I'd rather just say thank you to the majority of our pilot group who are willing to help, in whatever way they can, keep 300 of us on the property (and prevent hundreds more displacement to ANC, FO, etc).
I don't mean any disrespect, but we've got to stop digging up who won/lost on the last contract, age 65, nicholson vs. miller, etc. Just about everyone in our group can say they've already had to sacrifice something already. By your logic, the junior members who had to live under the FO B scale have already sacrificed for the senior members by working for less while Captains enjoyed better wages and retirement. My point is, we've got to stop talking about the past and move forward. There are no winners in the junior vs. senior, old vs. young debate!
I think this could be a great turning point to put some of these things behind us and all get on the same page. I have no doubt that we'll get great support from top to bottom. Rather than worry about rehashing the past, I'd rather just say thank you to the majority of our pilot group who are willing to help, in whatever way they can, keep 300 of us on the property (and prevent hundreds more displacement to ANC, FO, etc).
05-16-2009, 10:47 AM
#52
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 22
It just seems to me too many are making excuses, (DC-8 guys thinking they can't sign up, and the lamest of all that this is somehow "concessions") and pointing to the next guy to step up. Deep down I think every single pilot knows what they should do. Some just choose to take comfort that others share their negativity. This is one of those moments in life you have an opportunity to show what the hell you're made of. Think about looking over at the pilot next to you in the cockpit after this is all said and done. If we've failed, I would be embarassed for ourselves; if we succeed, I would be more proud than any other time during my job at UPS.
05-16-2009, 11:34 AM
#53
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: -400 FO
Posts: 300
I think people are just going by what they've heard from others and the rumor mill.
It just seems to me too many are making excuses, (DC-8 guys thinking they can't sign up, and the lamest of all that this is somehow "concessions") and pointing to the next guy to step up. Deep down I think every single pilot knows what they should do. Some just choose to take comfort that others share their negativity. This is one of those moments in life you have an opportunity to show what the hell you're made of. Think about looking over at the pilot next to you in the cockpit after this is all said and done. If we've failed, I would be embarassed for ourselves; if we succeed, I would be more proud than any other time during my job at UPS.
It just seems to me too many are making excuses, (DC-8 guys thinking they can't sign up, and the lamest of all that this is somehow "concessions") and pointing to the next guy to step up. Deep down I think every single pilot knows what they should do. Some just choose to take comfort that others share their negativity. This is one of those moments in life you have an opportunity to show what the hell you're made of. Think about looking over at the pilot next to you in the cockpit after this is all said and done. If we've failed, I would be embarassed for ourselves; if we succeed, I would be more proud than any other time during my job at UPS.
05-16-2009, 12:21 PM
#54
Retired
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 65
Fact, the pension never was $3700. Fact, if the FO scale is not fixed, it doesn't pass, check out how many FOs we have here(compliments of the IRO issues). I would have loved to have voted NO on the $3700 pension contract, but it never arrived, was never going to arrive after the things that went on, and probably never will again.
Fact, finally, this thing is voluntary. Volunteer if you can and if you want. Period.
BusDriver
05-16-2009, 12:34 PM
#55
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
Sacrifice from 3700 to 3000. I had a few drinks and definitley needed a good laugh to go with it. The ND's and sacrifice, I cant even make a sentence with these two words in it.
05-16-2009, 03:01 PM
#56
Freightmama!
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
No disrespect here but what does this have to do with furlough prevention?
05-16-2009, 03:03 PM
#58
Freightmama!
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
say that again,
I don't mean any disrespect, but we've got to stop digging up who won/lost on the last contract, age 65, nicholson vs. miller, etc. Just about everyone in our group can say they've already had to sacrifice something already. By your logic, the junior members who had to live under the FO B scale have already sacrificed for the senior members by working for less while Captains enjoyed better wages and retirement. My point is, we've got to stop talking about the past and move forward. There are no winners in the junior vs. senior, old vs. young debate!
I think this could be a great turning point to put some of these things behind us and all get on the same page. I have no doubt that we'll get great support from top to bottom. Rather than worry about rehashing the past, I'd rather just say thank you to the majority of our pilot group who are willing to help, in whatever way they can, keep 300 of us on the property (and prevent hundreds more displacement to ANC, FO, etc).
I don't mean any disrespect, but we've got to stop digging up who won/lost on the last contract, age 65, nicholson vs. miller, etc. Just about everyone in our group can say they've already had to sacrifice something already. By your logic, the junior members who had to live under the FO B scale have already sacrificed for the senior members by working for less while Captains enjoyed better wages and retirement. My point is, we've got to stop talking about the past and move forward. There are no winners in the junior vs. senior, old vs. young debate!
I think this could be a great turning point to put some of these things behind us and all get on the same page. I have no doubt that we'll get great support from top to bottom. Rather than worry about rehashing the past, I'd rather just say thank you to the majority of our pilot group who are willing to help, in whatever way they can, keep 300 of us on the property (and prevent hundreds more displacement to ANC, FO, etc).
05-17-2009, 08:00 AM
#59
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: missionary
Posts: 320
Initially I thought, "hey I'm 16 years seniority, why should I give up $15,000 for each bid period of job share. My job's secure....I've put in my time..blah blah blah" Then that little voice, a real pain in the ass, said, quit being such a selfish prick. Besides, the time off can be put to good use and you can afford it. Remember, the word UNION?
Bottom 300 Guy
05-18-2009, 05:34 AM
#60
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: I was acquired, Not Hired
Posts: 1,784
Going on 6 years of furlough from AMR. Hopefully we won't see the same gutting of a pilot group at UPS.
FF-Former TWA.
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