More Fatigue for AM Standby Crews at Purple
#11
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#14
Fatigue Calls
Excellent talking points here, the basic premise is that we are ALLOWED to call in FATIGUED, should the opportunity present itself. We don't need to chastise each other here nor do we need to pass judgement on one another, but rather, we should ENCOURAGE and PROMOTE the use of this venue if we find ourselves in that corner ........................ Not to worry about all the questions that come later, but worry more if you happen to "bust ATC instructions" or worse. I have personally called FATGUED for myself and my crewmembers, when the opportunity called for it, and I might have had to answer to someone for it, but I did not fear for my job or other such nonsense. The scheduling is in the hands of those who only look at the numbers and worry about reports, not those of us who are moving the revenue and heavy metal around this place. It was once said by past Management that we "must be good, not lucky", regarding all the flights that happen here ...................... I wonder (?)
#15
From the FOM:
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
#16
From the FOM:
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
#17
From the FOM:
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
2.5 Fatigue
It is the crewmember’s responsibility to be properly rested for each phase of the trip. However, if circumstances prevent this, no FedEx crewmember should feel pressured to fly when not properly rested. A crewmember who is fatigued should immediately notify Crew Scheduling if unable to complete a trip.
Should an accident, incident, or flight violation occur, fatigue should not be a contributing factor since the FOM clearly states that a pilot should not fly fatigued.
Unfortunately, the company seems to differentiate between becoming fatigued while on a pairing and showing up for a trip unrested.
You can call fatigued if the cleaning lady wakes you up in the middle of your sleep cycle on a layover and toasts you for the rest of the day or you delay 4 hours for wx/whatever and can't fly the second leg. Now you can't "complete the trip" because you are fatigued.
You can't call fatigued (in their opinion) if you haven't started the trip. It's your responsibility to show up rested. I guess then, you're just sick?
I guess once a STBY assignment starts, you're actually "on" a trip so you could call fatigued when they wake you up in the sleep room to give you a trip.
#18
The FOM uses the word fatigue, but does not define it. From NIH, "Fatigue is different from drowsiness. In general, drowsiness is feeling the need to sleep, while fatigue is a lack of energy and motivation. Drowsiness and apathy (a feeling of indifference or not caring about what happens) can be symptoms of fatigue." So basically if you are tired fine, but if you are so tired you don't give a sh*t, watch out. The problem is when you don't give a sh*t what motivates you to call in. - I have only felt this way once. Why not give a pilot the greatest opportunity to sleep as much as possible before he flies. To the poster that does not understand the stanby delema - set your alarm about 4 hours prior to your next am show. Then drive to work and get a room for a few hours then go to work. Do that and then PM me.
#19
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fatigue is a lack of energy and motivation. Drowsiness and apathy (a feeling of indifference or not caring about what happens) can be symptoms of fatigue." So basically if you are tired fine, but if you are so tired you don't give a sh*t, watch out. The problem is when you don't give a sh*t what motivates you to call in. -
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