Gunter

This may be easy to answer. Can't find in the CBA.

If one bids a regular line (not reserve or secondary) and marks "drop trips to protect min days off", can vacation days + trips cause trips to be dropped to ensure 13 days off? I'm talking about trips being dropped that are not in conflict.

Or do vacation days not count as "work days" when they calculate days off?


Thanks,

Gunter

FlybyKnite

I'm not sure how you can have less than the CBA mandated min days off on a legally constructed regular line (Sec 25.D.1.) . The only way to have less than min days off (especially these days) should be by having carry-in trips, R-days or other situation that creates a phase-in conflict (Sec 25.F.).

So if you have the required number of min days off before vacation credit is applied, there's really no problem (and checking the box does nothing). That being said, I do know that any phase-in conflicts are processed before any vacation credits are applied because I've asked futures that question in the past.

Gunter

That must be the answer. Probably why my question is not answered in the CBA. My point of view just doesn't apply.

So, to get this straight--


I can have 8 days of vacation the last week of the month and work 10 days in the first and third weeks. No vacation credit and no conflict.

RedeyeAV8r

G.

Vacation Bank Administration
1. Regular Line Holder
A regular line holder shall be removed from a trip(s) in confl ict
with his vacation period (as awarded or slid) or vacation
expansion. Confl ict with an international duty free buffer, as
described in Section 12.D.1.d., shall constitute a confl ict with
the trip protected by that buffer and may not be waived. The
SCH value of the removed trip(s) shall be deducted from the
pilot’s vacation credit hour bank.
Intent: A vacation period slides as a whole.

Gunter I am not sure what you want to do.

As a Regular line holder:
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
Do you want to use vacation bank in June or not?
As long as no trips or INTL duty free buffer touch or conflict with your vacation period your vacation bank will not be debited.

If your intend is not to use much or any Vacation Bank in June because you want to use a ton later in the year than bid/ slide to deconflict.

This way if you 7 days vacation (42 hours) in JUNE and you have 7 days in Sept if you don't debit any vacation in June you have 84 hours to use in SEP.

If you want max time off then obviously bid/expand to conflict as much as possible.

Gunter

If I wasn't able to conflict a trip with my current vacation footprint, I was hoping to have trips dropped then pick up other (better) trips during the view/add window. I didn't know if "min days off" came into play. Sounds like it was all a pipe dream.

Of course I could just expand the vacation to use the vacation instead. I was going to do that with my next vacation. I'd rather work now than in the other month I have vacation.



Thanks for the help!

RedeyeAV8r

For min days off a day of vacation does not count as a day of work.

So if a guy had 14 days vacation (4 week month) and had a line that worked 15 days (max days) an he deconflicted, no trips would be dropped.

That is why we have the Slide expand option, This works for everybody, the guy who wants to maximizretime off or the guy who wants to use his more vacation bank in a leter period.

FlybyKnite

Sweet Dreams!!

Popeye

Gunter, use caution if your trying to use June Vacation in September. I learned this lesson painfully not long ago trying to do just that. In your later vacation month, you will need to slide/expand vacation to conflict with a high CH value trip, otherwise you'll be limited to 6CH beyond THAT month's vacation credit when expanding your vacation. If this turns out to be your last vacation of the year, you will make a hefty donation to some management MBO super fund, like I did.

Good luck.

USMCFDX

Bid reserve, problem solved.

Gunter

Thanks for the help. I didn't know about that gotcha.