av8rmike

Most aren't 'invited', so don't feel left out. Lots of program openings right now, so you shouldn't have a hard time getting hired if that's what you really want. Good luck!

Laughing_Jakal

Deuce130

Hate to break it to you......you weren't that awesome....

Did you escape south yet?

Mike's just mad about the change in the flex thing for the contract, and the way 757 initial cadre was shaken up by the whole seniority issue and contact implementation. Someone "moved" his cheese.

I have had some great experiences in the training department and some not so great. I think that like politicians, I don't think someone should spend a whole career doing it. (Don't ask me where the managers would come from, because I don't have an answer...) Remember when ATC (later became AETC) got rid of "career trainers".....that was probably a good idea.


Jakal

JetPiedmont

"In my personal experience on the -27 and the Bus, the program has been pretty good. I also think I was pretty much super awesome in my previous life and I've never been invited to instruct!"

Now that's some funny stuff there.

Deuce130

Glad you saw the humor in it!

Laughing_Jakal

Actually....don't tell him because he'd get a swell head......but he was pretty awesome......not super awesome....but pretty awesome......

yeah right

Alright.

First off. A V1 cut is a rudder manuever. Lift is a function of Lift coefficient times dynamic pressure times wing area. It is also affected by the Arc Cosign of the angle of sweep. As the angle of sweep approaches 0 the lift is maximized. As the angle of sweep increases lift is minimized. If rudder input is less than required then the aircraft will bank in the direction of insufficient rudder. The heading will also show that you are off heading in the direction of the bank (its a crab). Pilots feel they are off runway heading and apply aileron to return to runway heading. What you actually have is insuffucuent rudder input which causes a bank in the direction of the failed engine. A little more rudder input puts the nose on the runway heading and equalizes the angle of sweep on both wings. Based on that the bank angle is reduced to 0 and ailerons are no longer required. Basic fundemental airmanship taught at other airlines.

We all know of the B757 fiasco at DAL. Thats 1. I also heard through the grapevine that we had 2 of our other initial guys bust their checks at Boeing based on lack of fundemental airmanship. Guess who their instructor was? A retired purple instructor. Let me caveat this with I got this second hand from someone I used to fly with. I heard they did get through on the second attempt.

You say I suck at crosswind landings. If I did it would be because I was never taught fundemental airmanship by our instructors. Thanks for the support.

Look. I am not trying to single anyone out. We have a problem here that needs to get solved NOW. We hire the exact same pilots as everyone else. We fly the same type of aircraft as everyone else. We crash. They don't. The only difference I see between us and them is flight training. I have been at other airlines and training here is different. We excell at procedural training but lack in fundmenetal airmanship training.

The main point of my post is not necessarily to lay blame but to get guys talking. Whats our problem?

Two99two

How can FedEx’s accident prone reputation be a mediocre training program, w&b issues, or revolving door management? Those issues are prevalent industry wide.
It has to be the absence of hats!

If I was on your safety committee I would immediately ask management to implement a mandatory hat policy as part of the uniform.

Laughing_Jakal

I think the problem is a lack of "Up or Out" policy. Well, not really, but I'm pushing for it. Maybe this way I won't get get kicked out of the left seat.

I tried very hard not to "be part of the problem"......but that didn't do me any good, so from upgrading and flying in the left seat, the company decided "thru re-alignment" and the union decided "thru retro", that I really needed to be a professional RFO.

Up or out would get rid of all our overmanning since Cap went so junior in HKG and will go relatively junior in CDG. Will also clear out all the over 60 in the right seat. Heck, we have so many that will never upgrade, that if we had an up or out policy, we'd be forced to hire again.....this would be the end of 4a2b.

Naturally, after you completed upgrade, you could downbid to the right seat for seniority. These multiple training cycles would be "no cost" since the training department is a "fixed cost".

Maybe that's what the "re-alignment" was really for. Not for furlough, but to implement an up or out policy.

For those who don't realize, my tongue is firmly planted in my cheek, but if I ran the place, I would use this as a bargaining position, especially since we are becoming "re-aligned"

Jetjok

LJ,

Kind of a slow day around your place huh?

JJ

Laughing_Jakal

Yeah,

gotta mow the lawn and order flowers