fdx727pilot

Boy, who peed in your cornflakes? All I said was Tallahassee was not a problem with x-winds or aircraft landing characteristics, but of flying into the ground well short of the runway. That has everything to do with "such issues as scheduling practices and fatigue," so JMHO but your response is way out of line.

MD11Fr8Dog

I think by not mentioning "such issues as scheduling practices and fatigue," in the post he responded to, you pretty much, legitimately, left yourself open to his type of response!

cma2407

Guess my cornflakes are soggy too. It's simply ignorant to make a hairbrained comment like that, when there are so many other contributing factors. But we've come to expect that from that great winking egotist, FH.

MaydayMark

I think we should stop investigating accidents and, instead, simply ask F-H-T-A-K-E-A-O (Fox Hunter, the all-knowing everything aviation ORACLE). It would save the union tons of money ...

pipe

The above was completely tongue in cheek. I saw many an approach and/or landing in the 27 that could have been big trouble in a heavy jet. I think we have fewer problems in the 27 for a few reasons. Three sets of eyeballs, domestic flying, 1 1/2 hour legs, and it's just easier to recover a bad approach/landing in a smaller airplane. It doesn't hurt that it's built like a brick sh**house either. (It's about as much fun to work in as a brick sh**house and has about the same smell and comfort level as well)

PIPE

Jetjok

You guys can't be really as dense as you appear.... can you? Fox Hunters point was that on the Boeing, they actually fly the jet, not overly rely on autopilot, autobrakes, autospoilers, autoland, autothrottles, autoflush, autowipe, etc, etc. His comment was right on. We do have guys that jet around the world, in first class, only to act as RFO for a leg or two, before they repeat the process on the way home. The Boeing guys fly jets, the rest of you homos type your way around the world. That said, I was a typist too, and loved it, but just by the grace of G_d, did I not screw up. A little luck, coupled with a little wisdom, mediocre flying skills, and a good First Officer always seemed to pull me through. I hope the same for you too.

Fly safe out there.

JJ

fedupbusdriver

Maybe once per month we should be scheduled to go to the MOA and practice some Tex Johnson maneuvers, or get a pattern only ride getting 20-30 touch and gos.

MD11Fr8Dog

What about those of us that are hetero?

LivingInMEM

Or, we could have voluntary proficiency sims that ACTUALLY ARE non-threatening to your training record or ticket? We could have proficiency events where the event is tailored to the self-perceived weaknesses of the crewmember and participation is actually encouraged (ability to schedule event on an R-day, with the ability to trade an R-day for the sim event - manning allowed). Those events that they came up with a couple of years ago don't come close to encouraging participation.

You could also look at real advances in fatigue prevention or mitigation. Crew rest facilities at out-stations could be addressed seriously, the shortage of sleep rooms in MEM, the lack of temp control in those sleep rooms, and any myriad of additional adjustments.

There are a hundred things that can be done, but won't. Partly because some will automaticaly say there is no problem, some will say that there is nothing that can be done, some will say that it will cost too much, and for namy other reasons.

Rock

I would forfeit a month of pay for one pattern only sortie every year. The only way to learn how to land an airplane is to actually land it. And not just once or twice a month.
And with the exception of the homo part, I know all about typing my way around the world. But as a junior guy, I had next to no input on my schedule. I quickly learned that you never made VTO requests based on what you actually wanted or needed. The only time I get a holiday off is when I don't ask for it off. And if I need landings and say so, I get the 20 day RFO world tour.
I seem to recall American had a policy of making people professional "third pilots". Just smart enough to sit in the front while droning over the Atlantic. I'd take that option and the pay cut that would come with it. Better than sucking up seat cushions while trying not to bend metal during my monthly landing.