UPS next to retire B-757 P&W ???
04-29-2009, 10:31 AM
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04-29-2009, 10:33 AM
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Flip burgers = $250 week
Collect unemployment = $300-600 a week
Pride overcomes logic and rational thinking.
Go flip burgers then or work at Home Depot. If the furlough threat even gets near your position ... I'm doubtful.
Following your logic, I hope you don't use your health care benefits, mutual aid, or disability compensation. All of those are programs that are paid into by a group. For the benefit of individuals in their time of need, just like unemployment compensation.
See you at the car wash ...
At least this thread has drifted completely off course from the original rumor fodder !
Collect unemployment = $300-600 a week
Pride overcomes logic and rational thinking.
Go flip burgers then or work at Home Depot. If the furlough threat even gets near your position ... I'm doubtful.
Following your logic, I hope you don't use your health care benefits, mutual aid, or disability compensation. All of those are programs that are paid into by a group. For the benefit of individuals in their time of need, just like unemployment compensation.
See you at the car wash ...
At least this thread has drifted completely off course from the original rumor fodder !
04-29-2009, 10:53 AM
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Jerry,
Your mother and I have always hoped you would join the junior management program at Bloomingdales. It is about time to quit chasing this dream of being a comedian.
Your mother and I have always hoped you would join the junior management program at Bloomingdales. It is about time to quit chasing this dream of being a comedian.
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04-29-2009, 10:53 AM
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Well, I am in the bottom 300.
When American Airlines bought TWA years ago, I threw away all of my resumes because I thought I had finally won the lottery. In July, my furlough from American Airlines will start it's 6th year.
UPS is airline #7 and will be furlough #4 from the airlines and #5 if you include my stint in a corporate flight department. From day 1 at UPS when everyone was high fiving each other and taking pictures with Jim Casey, I starting a slush fund and kept my resume current.
You can be on top today and under the bus the next. Nothing is certain in this business except uncertainty, and until it is in the bid package or painted in your livery and on the ramp it's just a fairy tale.
In my opinion, the $54 million dollar savings sought by UPS is a benchmark for negotiations. It has little to do with a company that generated almost $11 Billion in revenue for the quarter and has voted to reward its' CEO with a major bonus increase.
As mentioned by analysts and employees alike, furloughing is not part of the UPS culture and this whole "poker game" the company is playing is to 1. Be like the Jones' (FDX) and 2. Seek to re-open the contract. This may backfire on them resulting in intangible costs that make the $54 million in savings result in far less saved after things like move packages, training events, cancelled flights etc. In addition; the ill-will generated to the junior most 300 (arguably, the most enthusiastic on the property) and everyone else that will be affected by the cascading effect of the furlough will effectively erode the $54 million over the years and galvanize a workforce that is plagued by the by-products of disloyalty.
Finally, there was a post about getting a degree from a gum machine and too bad for you since you didn't plan. To that critical person, one of the few things I've learned in almost 20 years of this crazy business, is that you may feel inclined to throw stones at those less fortunate. However, it is funny how some of those less fortunate today, might be your Chief Pilot tomorrow, or a person you are asking to hand-carry a resume for you down the road. Maybe instead of belittling someone for not being preparing for this furlough-which makes no sense whatsoever, maybe keeping your coments to yourself, might bring better mileage to this pilot group. The company's intent of this excerise is to further fracture the pilot group and to open the CBA up for concessions...why should we oblidge them with in-fighting ?
FF
When American Airlines bought TWA years ago, I threw away all of my resumes because I thought I had finally won the lottery. In July, my furlough from American Airlines will start it's 6th year.
UPS is airline #7 and will be furlough #4 from the airlines and #5 if you include my stint in a corporate flight department. From day 1 at UPS when everyone was high fiving each other and taking pictures with Jim Casey, I starting a slush fund and kept my resume current.
You can be on top today and under the bus the next. Nothing is certain in this business except uncertainty, and until it is in the bid package or painted in your livery and on the ramp it's just a fairy tale.
In my opinion, the $54 million dollar savings sought by UPS is a benchmark for negotiations. It has little to do with a company that generated almost $11 Billion in revenue for the quarter and has voted to reward its' CEO with a major bonus increase.
As mentioned by analysts and employees alike, furloughing is not part of the UPS culture and this whole "poker game" the company is playing is to 1. Be like the Jones' (FDX) and 2. Seek to re-open the contract. This may backfire on them resulting in intangible costs that make the $54 million in savings result in far less saved after things like move packages, training events, cancelled flights etc. In addition; the ill-will generated to the junior most 300 (arguably, the most enthusiastic on the property) and everyone else that will be affected by the cascading effect of the furlough will effectively erode the $54 million over the years and galvanize a workforce that is plagued by the by-products of disloyalty.
Finally, there was a post about getting a degree from a gum machine and too bad for you since you didn't plan. To that critical person, one of the few things I've learned in almost 20 years of this crazy business, is that you may feel inclined to throw stones at those less fortunate. However, it is funny how some of those less fortunate today, might be your Chief Pilot tomorrow, or a person you are asking to hand-carry a resume for you down the road. Maybe instead of belittling someone for not being preparing for this furlough-which makes no sense whatsoever, maybe keeping your coments to yourself, might bring better mileage to this pilot group. The company's intent of this excerise is to further fracture the pilot group and to open the CBA up for concessions...why should we oblidge them with in-fighting ?
FF
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04-29-2009, 11:20 AM
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My class date is in late Summer, I would say there is a better chance of seeing Jimmy Hoffa in pink taffata then seeing me in the school house.
Time will tell.
FF
04-30-2009, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
"it's a handout and I am not interested. Besides you'd make more doing something, anything."
Seriously Dude.
I'm 41. I have a B.S. in Aeronautical Science, and 22 years of professional civilan, and military flying experience. I don't know how to do much else. Do you really think there are a whole lot of high paying jobs out there right now for guys with my background? I'll tell you what: If the day has come when UPS!!! is going to furlough, then the crap has really hit the fan gents. There ARE no other flying jobs out there, unless that is you consider flying for some crap airline in the third world a flying job...which I don't.
Just in case it comes down to it for me, in the next few months to come, I asked some Home Depot guys what it was like to work there. They said you're lucky to make $11.85/hr after 2 years, IF you have a background in a construction trade. OTHERWISE, you'll make $8.50/hr. So that means most of us airline type guys getting ready to hit the street, can't make more than $8.50/hr working at Home Depot! Try living on that!!!
I will proudly and gladly be stepping in line to collect the benefits of the Unemployment Insurance via the Unemployment Taxes into which I've been paying for decades.
I take it you're not in the bottom 300.
I am.
Care to trade?
Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
"it's a handout and I am not interested. Besides you'd make more doing something, anything."
Seriously Dude.
I'm 41. I have a B.S. in Aeronautical Science, and 22 years of professional civilan, and military flying experience. I don't know how to do much else. Do you really think there are a whole lot of high paying jobs out there right now for guys with my background? I'll tell you what: If the day has come when UPS!!! is going to furlough, then the crap has really hit the fan gents. There ARE no other flying jobs out there, unless that is you consider flying for some crap airline in the third world a flying job...which I don't.
Just in case it comes down to it for me, in the next few months to come, I asked some Home Depot guys what it was like to work there. They said you're lucky to make $11.85/hr after 2 years, IF you have a background in a construction trade. OTHERWISE, you'll make $8.50/hr. So that means most of us airline type guys getting ready to hit the street, can't make more than $8.50/hr working at Home Depot! Try living on that!!!
I will proudly and gladly be stepping in line to collect the benefits of the Unemployment Insurance via the Unemployment Taxes into which I've been paying for decades.
I take it you're not in the bottom 300.
I am.
Care to trade?
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04-30-2009, 09:50 AM
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Best time of my life was on the unemployment line. Lots of time with the wife and kids, plenty o' cash while living on a pretty strict budget. Lo and behold, 5 months after going on, found another job and went back to the rat race. While we're bringing in a lot more now, I qol is nothing like it was being home every day.
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