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Old 04-23-2009, 10:25 AM
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If the company has a problem with this behavior than go to the union and negotiate receipts required for all expenses. I have no problem with that.
This is not a good idea. And you can keep these to yourself too.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:41 AM
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I wonder what the response would be if ALPA hired PI's to follow Flight Management around? Would that shed a different light on this subject?
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:29 PM
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This is not a good idea. And you can keep these to yourself too.
The point is this is not about money, it is about the company hiring a PI to investigate its employees in secret. This time it is about $25. Next time it could be about what time you get back to your layover hotel or following guys around who called in sick.

We have a contract, it explains how to fill out an expense report. If the company is unhappy with the language let them negotiate.
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Old 04-23-2009, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
The point is this is not about money, it is about the company hiring a PI to investigate its employees in secret. This time it is about $25. Next time it could be about what time you get back to your layover hotel or following guys around who called in sick.

We have a contract, it explains how to fill out an expense report. If the company is unhappy with the language let them negotiate.
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Old 04-23-2009, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
The point is this is not about money, it is about the company hiring a PI to investigate its employees in secret.
Darn good point. I've spoken to Capt O and he agrees and so from now on when the company hires a PI to investigate or follow someone, the very first thing that PI will do is knock on the guy's door and introduce himself, and tell the guy that he's been hired to follow him around. Better?

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Darn good point. I've spoken to Capt O and he agrees and so from now on when the company hires a PI to investigate or follow someone, the very first thing that PI will do is knock on the guy's door and introduce himself, and tell the guy that he's been hired to follow him around. Better?

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Sure is. Although that may be extreme and counter to their objective. How about a call from the ACP saying your last 2 expense reports look suspicious.

How does pilot X know he is not getting targeted for harsher punishment than pilot Y.

How about 30 days later they notify the guy and say we looked at you and found nothing. How about they tell us how many pilots are being investigated and why (no names required). How about they put a copy in the Pilot's file and let us take a look at what is in it.

Any of the above would improve deterrence (isn't that their goal) and at least give us the opportunity to clear our names or prevent false information from being spread. After all who say's PI always tell the truth. That way when Pilot X starts getting an inordinate amount of line checks or pee in the bottle checks he will know why.
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Sure is. Although that may be extreme and counter to their objective. How about a call from the ACP saying your last 2 expense reports look suspicious.

How does pilot X know he is not getting targeted for harsher punishment than pilot Y.

How about 30 days later they notify the guy and say we looked at you and found nothing. How about they tell us how many pilots are being investigated and why (no names required). How about they put a copy in the Pilot's file and let us take a look at what is in it.

Any of the above would improve deterrence (isn't that their goal) and at least give us the opportunity to clear our names or prevent false information from being spread. After all who say's PI always tell the truth. That way when Pilot X starts getting an inordinate amount of line checks or pee in the bottle checks he will know why.
You're such a liberal! Next thing you'll be telling us, is they should get a court order before tapping our phone lines.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Sure is. Although that may be extreme and counter to their objective. How about a call from the ACP saying your last 2 expense reports look suspicious.

How does pilot X know he is not getting targeted for harsher punishment than pilot Y.

How about 30 days later they notify the guy and say we looked at you and found nothing. How about they tell us how many pilots are being investigated and why (no names required). How about they put a copy in the Pilot's file and let us take a look at what is in it.

Any of the above would improve deterrence (isn't that their goal) and at least give us the opportunity to clear our names or prevent false information from being spread. After all who say's PI always tell the truth. That way when Pilot X starts getting an inordinate amount of line checks or pee in the bottle checks he will know why.
Not sure why you are getting upset. The company has been doing it for years. Heck, there was one guy at the NY base that got a call from the limo company he always used saying they just had an investigator in the office asking about him. The investigator found no problem, but he asked the limo company not to say anything to the subject. Since the subject was such a good customer they assured the investigator the secret was safe with them. As soon as he left the owner of the limo phoned the subject pilot. This happened almost 15 years ago.

You really don't have to worry about X pilot being targeted for harsher punishment than pilot Y. Both would be treated the same with termination.
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:50 PM
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You really don't have to worry about X pilot being targeted for harsher punishment than pilot Y. Both would be treated the same with termination.
One would hope that your ubiquitious wink indicates that you don't REALLY believe the statement you just wrote.
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Old 04-23-2009, 04:01 PM
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Hey, Let's look on the bright side. The next time I have a flat on the way to work, I can call my ACP and tell him to get the PI to stop and pick me up so I don't miss my trip.
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