Posting 09-01 Practice Bid...
04-09-2009, 04:17 PM
#21
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I thought the only way to flush an FDA was to shrink it or close it? Perhaps just cancel the individual captain awards in 09-01? Hmmmmmmm......
04-09-2009, 04:29 PM
#22
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Metal shop or not, they should all take the "enhanced" (by our FDA LOA) Sect. 6 move and send the 16,500lbs.
04-09-2009, 07:14 PM
#23
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04-09-2009, 11:14 PM
#25
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Amazing...only got 13 out the 36 vacancies 
Thought HKG was going to go senior!? What a joke. For a company that makes so much money they have to do everything on the cheap, cheap, cheap. Not too much of a head scratcher here.
Thought HKG was going to go senior!? What a joke. For a company that makes so much money they have to do everything on the cheap, cheap, cheap. Not too much of a head scratcher here.
04-10-2009, 12:09 AM
#27
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don't forget to include the 15 from 09-03 and the 9 from 09-02 excess bids
04-10-2009, 11:29 AM
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No offense but if they succeed in getting a significant improvement to the FDA LOA then it should be entirely re-bid. Why should everyone else have to face the meat grinder and loose thier seats? I had one Captain going to HKG tell me the company did not need to make the LOA better as they only needed a small group. He was 55 empty nester and had 3 yrs with the company so it worked for him. I have several friends loosing their Captain seats, so why should they not be able to exercise thier senority.
You can't advocate (with any reason/rationality, anyway) a position that supports kicking guys out of a seat anytime there's a contractual change (good or bad) to that seat in the future.
You bid a seat based on one thing: the current contractual provisions for that seat at the time you bid it.
Example, right now the 777 pays the same as the A300, and pilots have bid it. If at some point in the future, the 777 pay rate is increased, say to A380 pay, either by an LOA or the next contract, do you think you can say "OK, kick everyone out of it and re-run the bid now that it's better."
Example, when our last contract passed, it was pretty clear most of the pay benefits (grid penalties) in it were designed to benefit long haul (MD-11 +) flying. Do you think guys on the A300 and 727 had a right to say "Ohh, well I would have bid it if I had known that's where the improvements were going to be! Kick those guys out!"? I don't.
Same goes for HKG. The people that bid it, CA and FO, did so under the contract and LOA that were in place at the time. If there are improvements, via another LOA and/or a new contract in 2010 to the FDA, you can't support booting out existing pilots just so other people can take their slots under new game rules. Same goes for if things get worse in a particular seat; you can't say "I didn't know it was going to get worse, excess me out of here!"
04-10-2009, 02:49 PM
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Gotta royally disagree with you there.
You can't advocate (with any reason/rationality, anyway) a position that supports kicking guys out of a seat anytime there's a contractual change (good or bad) to that seat in the future.
You bid a seat based on one thing: the current contractual provisions for that seat at the time you bid it.
Example, right now the 777 pays the same as the A300, and pilots have bid it. If at some point in the future, the 777 pay rate is increased, say to A380 pay, either by an LOA or the next contract, do you think you can say "OK, kick everyone out of it and re-run the bid now that it's better."
Example, when our last contract passed, it was pretty clear most of the pay benefits (grid penalties) in it were designed to benefit long haul (MD-11 +) flying. Do you think guys on the A300 and 727 had a right to say "Ohh, well I would have bid it if I had known that's where the improvements were going to be! Kick those guys out!"? I don't.
Same goes for HKG. The people that bid it, CA and FO, did so under the contract and LOA that were in place at the time. If there are improvements, via another LOA and/or a new contract in 2010 to the FDA, you can't support booting out existing pilots just so other people can take their slots under new game rules. Same goes for if things get worse in a particular seat; you can't say "I didn't know it was going to get worse, excess me out of here!"
You can't advocate (with any reason/rationality, anyway) a position that supports kicking guys out of a seat anytime there's a contractual change (good or bad) to that seat in the future.
You bid a seat based on one thing: the current contractual provisions for that seat at the time you bid it.
Example, right now the 777 pays the same as the A300, and pilots have bid it. If at some point in the future, the 777 pay rate is increased, say to A380 pay, either by an LOA or the next contract, do you think you can say "OK, kick everyone out of it and re-run the bid now that it's better."
Example, when our last contract passed, it was pretty clear most of the pay benefits (grid penalties) in it were designed to benefit long haul (MD-11 +) flying. Do you think guys on the A300 and 727 had a right to say "Ohh, well I would have bid it if I had known that's where the improvements were going to be! Kick those guys out!"? I don't.
Same goes for HKG. The people that bid it, CA and FO, did so under the contract and LOA that were in place at the time. If there are improvements, via another LOA and/or a new contract in 2010 to the FDA, you can't support booting out existing pilots just so other people can take their slots under new game rules. Same goes for if things get worse in a particular seat; you can't say "I didn't know it was going to get worse, excess me out of here!"
The guys who are being pushed out of their seats by "volunteers" are getting exactly the treatment that you say is inappropriate for HKG or the 777.
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