Avoiding furlough at UPS slides
04-08-2009, 05:43 PM
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Is that a fact? Did anyone actually make $350 per hour and if so, what percentage of that pilot group made that kind of coin?
04-08-2009, 06:28 PM
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. Granted hourly pay is not everything but its something.
My main point again is that the senior and over 60 folks in the IPA are not to blame. UPS over hired pilots, the economy dumped and hundreds of great folks have stepped up to the plate to help out the most vulnerable of us.
04-08-2009, 07:33 PM
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why would you wish ill on someone who looks to have food on the table for his family? I tried UPS, it didn't work. I can't have a life after UPS? Just because you're safe and we're not...that makes us fools to look elsewhere?? get real. were u born with a silver foot in your mouth?
04-08-2009, 08:18 PM
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why would you wish ill on someone who looks to have food on the table for his family? I tried UPS, it didn't work. I can't have a life after UPS? Just because you're safe and we're not...that makes us fools to look elsewhere?? get real. were u born with a silver foot in your mouth?
04-08-2009, 08:46 PM
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You don't think UPS is a job worth coming back to? Figure once the -8s are finally parked, the economy swings back and retirements start at a normal pace (2011 or 12), don't you think career progression will get back on step? It seems to me that if UPS is a "lost cause" airline job, NO airline job is worth it -- what better airline gig is there to be a bottom 300 guy at? Honest question -- not looking to poke anyone in the eye.
I accepted a position completely out of aviation for the time being. We'll see how that goes.
As for coming back. I don't rule that out. Most of us got blind-sided by age 65, who knows if there is age 70 in the works? If that is remotely a possibility..I'm not taking it up the (u know what) again. Seriously will do my homework when I am offered to put on the brown uniform again. Not going to blindly jump in both feet with no lifeline during the next go-round.
Hoping for the best for all of us here at Brown. It is a mighty beast THE IPA is fighting, the outcome can not be guaranteed.
Good luck to all.
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04-08-2009, 09:35 PM
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AGREED ... sorry to start a 2/3 pay public math debate. At least you got my point.
The same thing happened to me at Cactus. It was a second tier stepping stone to the majors until 2001 !!
Their contract became the target of the legacys. Managements target. By virtue of the others downfall, AWA became a desireable employer. Then came the merger ... Similar to the UPS deal.
And that is NOT to take anything away from the strides that were made at this place since 1988 ...
BACK TO TOPIC ...
there is actually nothing we can do to avoid a furlough. UPS will do what they want in the end. They will put at least 100 on the street this year. Just to show they can ...
04-08-2009, 09:54 PM
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why would you wish ill on someone who looks to have food on the table for his family? I tried UPS, it didn't work. I can't have a life after UPS? Just because you're safe and we're not...that makes us fools to look elsewhere?? get real. were u born with a silver foot in your mouth?
04-09-2009, 02:06 AM
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My response was to another post that was deleted by a moderator. The post I was responding to was not nearly as pleasant as mine. I hope you find what you are looking for elsewhere since this appears to be what you want. I think it may not be necessary, as I stated. You may do as you please.
04-09-2009, 05:03 AM
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off the top of my head, it was a approximation. if memory serves some legacy pay was around $260 in 2001. inflation based to today that would equal around $305 compared to UPS pay of $237 requiring a 29% pay increase to have the same buying power today. The legacy pay was on a 757/767 ? That is the smallest plane now at UPS. this is all public school math.
. Granted hourly pay is not everything but its something.
My main point again is that the senior and over 60 folks in the IPA are not to blame. UPS over hired pilots, the economy dumped and hundreds of great folks have stepped up to the plate to help out the most vulnerable of us.
. Granted hourly pay is not everything but its something.
My main point again is that the senior and over 60 folks in the IPA are not to blame. UPS over hired pilots, the economy dumped and hundreds of great folks have stepped up to the plate to help out the most vulnerable of us.
04-09-2009, 07:36 PM
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Anyone checked out the slides? I thought reducing the bid line Guarantee was not part of the discussion? Someone tell me whats with over 50% of the folks in the IPA voting for it??? I am confused! Kick these clowns out of the office and tell them to pound sand already! Don't give them a dime. I rather be furloughed than deal with this bull$hit. Someone please explain this to me. Salty where are you?
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