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04-08-2009, 05:23 AM

#71

CactusCrew

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Originally Posted by Airbum

Wow, I thought most of those old guys worked hard on making this place a job people wanted to come to. I certainly don't blame them or myself for the drop in flying hours ...

I don't blame them for anything either ... and they certainly worked hard at improving this place. But the first sentence stretches things a bit.

Would this place be "the place to come to" if the legacies like DAL, UAL, NWA didn't take it in the shorts over the last 8 years ?

I think not ... but believe what you want.

04-08-2009, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Airbum

Wow, I thought most of those old guys worked hard on making this place a job people wanted to come to. I certainly don't blame them or myself for the drop in flying hours.

I am proud of the fact hundreds of IPA guys have stepped up to help. UPS is in a contract land grab and will hire or layoff as they deem fit.

We did and are working hard to make this a good place to work. You sound as if you have what it takes to continue that work.

04-08-2009, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE

I have agreed with you in the past, but I strongly disagree with you on this. If we can do everything possible(without consessions) to avoid a furlough, then I say go for it. If some guys want to job share, take leave, retire, I say go for it. You know I'm no fan of the company, but they could have waited until June 1st and just sent out furlough notices. Open-time and a JA ban will mean $hit when they furlough. They will continue to load up the VTO lines and yes, use the "other airline" to cover what's left. If you guys have not figured that one out yet, please open your eyes.

I agree. I bet you a lot of female pilots on here with kids would take reduced flying. That's not even counting the MEN with kids who have wives with decent jobs. Since I am a mom now, personally, I'd like to see reduced flying lines and/or job sharing be a permanent thing here, not just for furlough prevention. I'm not in the bottom 300, but if we can have people that don't want to work as much be off vs. guys in the bottom 300 working if they want/need to, what's the problem?
300 but why not

04-08-2009, 05:48 AM

#74

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Originally Posted by 757upspilot

I would think that having him look back and find that it may not have been necessary to leave or find that those that hung in are getting help from those of us still on the property would be bad enough. I hope he finds what he wants while away.

What can you say, this job isn't for everybody.

04-08-2009, 06:54 AM

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Skytremor

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Guys/Gals,

Please stop the internal bickering over public forums. Have the courage to air your opinion on the union website. No one can predict the economy or what will happen here next. Do your job to the best of your abilities and and enjoy what you have now. Regardless of what comes next, this is still the desire destination for many in our profession. Let's not make it worse than what it is.

Also bottom 300.

04-08-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CactusCrew

Cactus I agree perhaps I overstated that comment, we are still working for about 2/3s pay compared to the legacies prebankruptcy contracts. My point was that many of those old dudes did alot of work to improve things.

04-08-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Airbum

...we are still working for about 2/3s pay compared to the legacies prebankruptcy contracts....

If you compare the average pay at UPS/FDX to the average pay in the prebankruptcy legacies, I'd bet it is pretty close to even.

04-08-2009, 02:59 PM

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say that again

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Originally Posted by Airbum

How do you figure 2/3 pay? What criteria did you use to arrive at that number?

04-08-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by say that again

How do you figure 2/3 pay? What criteria did you use to arrive at that number?

I believe he is referring to the $350 an hour some guys were making. I understand our same pay for fleet deal makes things very different and much more difficult to compute.