mrvmo

Who the hE#$ cares WHY they are doing it as long as it keeps people off the streets!

say that again

OK, if that's the way you feel maybe the EB should say to hell with it and quit their efforts to save your ass from being furloughed. With a group like this, it's a wonder why they even try anymore.

Tigerpilot1995

No kidding! The only thing to complain about is if ATL decides to not buy off on this.

757upspilot

Is there a reason they should retire to save your or anyones job?
If they bid reduced flying they also get reduced pay.

If it was me and it was your job( your being SLPII) with the attitude you got I would un volunteer for any furlough mitigation plan

757upspilot

I agree with you, the objective was to keep guys who don't want to have time off forced upon to be replaced by guys who would like to have the time off. It would appear that some feel it must be disadvantageous for the people who volunteer to take less so that our junior guys don't end up on the street. ie, they must suffer.

Commando

That's what I and many want. For the EB to quit talking to company about 52 million or whatever in savings! Just politely say thanks for the Heads up, and wait for the company to announce the furlough. period.

Then we go by the contract. Open-time and JA ban. simple. I stongly feel, and everyone I've flown with the last month, is for the EB to stay the heck out.

UPSFO4LIFE

I have agreed with you in the past, but I strongly disagree with you on this. If we can do everything possible(without consessions) to avoid a furlough, then I say go for it. If some guys want to job share, take leave, retire, I say go for it. You know I'm no fan of the company, but they could have waited until June 1st and just sent out furlough notices. Open-time and a JA ban will mean $hit when they furlough. They will continue to load up the VTO lines and yes, use the "other airline" to cover what's left. If you guys have not figured that one out yet, please open your eyes.

highsky

I agree. We're in an economic downturn right now. I know, our company is making Billions.

The fact remains, virtually every other passenger AND cargo airline, INCLUDING FedEx has reduced costs. Every other labor group AND the flight management at UPS has taken concessions, and/or laid off some of it's members.

We can throw a temper tantrum like a bunch of 3 year olds, and refuse to acknowledge these points, and refuse to share the burden of the times. OR we can act like adults, and propose a plan that will provide the company some relief over a temporary and definite period.

300 families are about to be devastated. These 300 families are part of our group, and our brotherhood. When you are NOT part of the 300, it's really easy to simply vote your own self-interest, then turn around and claim "it's for the sake of preserving the contract."

Fortunately, and much to my pleasant surprise, we have hundreds of members, and an EB, that has been willing to step up to the plate in this difficult situation, and come up with a plan that allows both sides to win, and keep most, if not all, of the 300 careers intact.

Although I don't speak for all, I do speak for many of us, when I say that I'm impressed with the unity, compassion, and sacrifice that the IPA membership has shown. This comes with a heartfelt Thank You for doing what you can to help save our jobs.

UPSFO4LIFE

One more thing. I fly the line as well, and have not heard anyone say the EB should stay out. I have heard a lot of leave the contract alone and no consessions, but not for the EB to stay out. Is not protecting jobs part of the unions responsibilty? Nobody wants to see a furlough here and nobody wants to give anything in our contract, including me. So is it not part of the unions job to find a solution that accomplishes both? If they have in fact done that, then why not support it? Am I missing something here?

say that again

Even if the company doesn't take us up on the cost saving ideas to mitigate a furlough, it will prove to be a clever move on the EB's part. The plan effectively shines the spot light on UPS Labor. I can hear the spin now, "UPS refuses IPA's help on reducing costs proving it's not about cost, it's all about control!"