BID 09-03 is out.
04-01-2009, 11:26 PM
#51
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Are you talking about the people who were hired directly to ANC or the 200 odd that were hired after them? When does one stop being a "n-word"? I'm not Navy, got lots of friends who were, but I've always thought that was a very condescending term. No slam intended
04-02-2009, 02:31 AM
#52
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Future Bids
We are currently evaluating a realignment (excess) bid that we expect to post within a week. Therefore, it’s possible that some of these vacancies will be filled through the excess process.
I think that answers your positions filled question.
04-02-2009, 04:37 AM
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Anyone senior to the most junior guy over there could bid HKG CA on 09-03 and, if they are in a position to be excessed, or to bid to relieve the excess, then they would be eligible for POP. Other than the senior guys in the 57 F/O seat, that does not include a lot of people at this point.
As far as 09-01, the Capt seats were filled with 09-02.
04-02-2009, 04:46 AM
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Are you talking about the people who were hired directly to ANC or the 200 odd that were hired after them? When does one stop being a "n-word"? I'm not Navy, got lots of friends who were, but I've always thought that was a very condescending term. No slam intended.
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04-02-2009, 05:19 AM
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required training for a crew position shall be scheduled by
system seniority, senior fi rst, for that crew position.24.D.3.a.
Pilots involuntarily excessed from a crew status shall be
scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application
of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the
involuntarily excessed pilots.scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application
of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the
+++++++++++++
Bid to relieve excess, I believe, would fall under 24.D.1. since it is voluntary......but that's just my guess??
04-02-2009, 05:47 AM
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24.D.1. .....
24.D.3.a.
involuntarily excessed pilots.
+++++++++++++
Bid to relieve excess, I believe, would fall under 24.D.1. since it is voluntary......but that's just my guess??
required training for a crew position shall be scheduled by
system seniority, senior fi rst, for that crew position.24.D.3.a.
Pilots involuntarily excessed from a crew status shall be
scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application
of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the
scheduled for training in reverse seniority order. Application
of this paragraph shall not trigger passover pay for the
involuntarily excessed pilots.
+++++++++++++
Bid to relieve excess, I believe, would fall under 24.D.1. since it is voluntary......but that's just my guess??
Clear as mud?
04-02-2009, 05:48 AM
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I still don't get this. There are 36 vacancies on bid 09-01, that is yet to close. If you bid to relieve and go to HKG, you could very well end up "going to HKG" since the company probably posted fat on 09-01 in an effort to prevent guys from playing the POP game.....maybe I am not getting it though. Maybe the company, looking and monitoring standing bids, knows that 09-01 is going to be unfilled in both seats. Then those that play the POP game end up moving to HKG and in a round-a-bout way filling 09-01's vacant positions!?
On a side note, what IF you are awarded, then REFUSE to sign the letter. Are you disciplined? In vips, you have to say you WILL sign. If you change your mind, what seat do you go back to??
On a side note, what IF you are awarded, then REFUSE to sign the letter. Are you disciplined? In vips, you have to say you WILL sign. If you change your mind, what seat do you go back to??
04-02-2009, 07:15 AM
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Reason I ask is the bottom of the seniority list is a ball of snakes. You have 75/72 FOs and 72 SOs all over the place. PO pay is happening with the 72 SOs who never got the chance to bid FO when hired. Some of those guys are already in/completed NB FO trng. When excess comes, they will have to train from bottom up those ORIGINAL NEWHIRE NB FO's to SO (full game-on SO course too btw) BEFORE they re-qual the newly desginated 75/72 FOs...no?
Clear as mud?
Clear as mud?
No idea, really, how all that WILL work. Looking at the training letters that are currently posted, though, leads one to believe that - status of currently/formerly getting POP does not factor in to the new training letter.
Four scenarios that do factor in:
1. Voluntarily leaving current award - don't need training on new equipment/seat - most senior of this group will have earliest activation/transfer date
2. Voluntarily leaving current award - need training on new equipment/seat - most senior of this group will have earliest training dates available for new seat
3. IN-Voluntarily leaving current award - don't need training on new equipment/seat - most JUNIOR of this group will have earliest activation/transfer date - after group #1
4. IN-Voluntarily leaving current award - need training on new equipment/seat - most JUNIOR of this group will have training date AFTER group #2
An example - a guy is VOLUNTARILY (bidding to relieve) moving from ANC FO to MEM FO (both on MD11) - his transfer date on the current training letter is Fall of 2009.
If the same guy now gets IN-voluntarily bumped off the MD11 in MEM to something other than MD11, he will probably be one of the more senior on the NEW seat, and his training will now be pushed back a year, maybe more to Fall 2010 or even early 2011 - because he will be one of the last to train (IN-voluntary = most JUNIOR train first)
This is just a total WAG based on looking at the current training letters from 09-02.
Any thoughts on this theory? correct? close? out to lunch?
Who knows what'll really happen??
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