Buck92

Line Captains? I had an ACP call me today to see if I'd be willing to help out. I guess the schedulers got tired of me not answering their JA calls over the past 3 days...

FR8TFLYER

Yes, line Captains, I will not post his name but go to the B&G to read in detail. I hope you said NO to the ACP's as well. Interesting I have not received a call at all, maybe they already know the answer: HELL NO!

MoosePileit

Whole new style of M_ _ _ _ _ E. F. Ugh. I guess that van down by the river makes night runs to PAFA/FAI.....

Buck92

I didn't answer the ACP's call either. It's actually nothing personal; I never answer calls from crew skeds on days off (or on days on outside the contractual contact window)

L'il J.Seinfeld

No frickin way the bottom 300 are screwed. UPS can't afford to lose the flexibility by furloughing. They can't afford the cost of a furlough. If card check passes and Fedex unionizes UPS will be agressive and pounce on the opportunity. Buy all the UPS stock you can for when the recovery hits UPS will be printing money. In 3-5 years I expect our stock to be over 100 and for the pilot count to be well over 3000.

With that said it sounds like there really are some mother foes in ANC. I pick up some open time, but if a furlough is announced I would stop and so would 99.9% of the IPA if not everyone. I think we all underestimate what an OAT/JA ban would do to this operation. Whoever got that languague in the contract is a negotiating hero in my book. Breath in. Breath out. This is still the best job in 121 avaiation and UPS is the best company to be employed at as a pilot.

LJS, MBA
400 something from the bottom
Optimist
Fortune seer

L'il J.Seinfeld

Does anyone else find it odd that even when things get heated on APC that it is a more civil discourse than the B&G? The Farves on the B&G are vicious, cowardly, rude and make me ashamed to be in the same union as ther are. All the while they are signing there names as they attack each other and tear apart unity. Meanwhile on the anonymous APC things may get volatile, but it's certainly less divisive. FWIW.

CactusCrew

Noticed that ...

Roberto

Now wait a minute! Those guys aren't Favre's, are they?

I thought you had to have been in the back seat and returned to the front. (not including the honorary Favre's who turned 60 after the law changed and never went back...)

cessnapilot

I hope you are right. I still think we are passing an opportunity to try and leverage this volcano with some good will both directions. I got the memo from Miller, and I believe Roberto was advocating this to me earlier also; to give 100% to help UPS and they see furlough threat as a separate issue. Since I've had an ear issue I called from abroad and they told me I would get my 48 hrs off when I got to the states, that there was no plan to send me to ANC. My plan was to run home and see my doctor. The sked showed an arrival and then a 1 min reposition to ANC. Once I did actually arrive in the states, they assigned me another leg to SDF, and told me that I will then be on call in reserve in SDF. I was also told I would get 48 off there. The schedule was built with a DH on my last reserve date from SDF to ANC. The flight was full of 3s and my name wasn't on the list, even though it was on my schedule. Its like they threw the contract out the window. Just now they reassigned another domestic leg and a commercial back to base. After several days of changing my sked they tell me its now all legal since its one 16 day trip. I got the memo, and I'm giving 100%, so I hope someone recognizes that. I won't get to the doctor until monday, and although I could certainly call in sick, I'm not dying or anything... They told me if I call in sick the trip isn't covered. They are out of reserves in SDF. So here is my 100%.... If I get furloughed I'm moving my family into Roberto's house.
Respectfully,
cp

SaltyDog

Cessnapilot;
With all due respect. You are being played for a chump by scheduling. The only thing recognized is boxes are moving. Not your participation. Read the "History" Thread on the BG. Scheduling is as much in the mushroom world as us. Violating the contract is in their bag of tricks as playing the guilt card. When they tell any of us that the trip will go uncovered, they appeal to loyalty. Remember this is business, they will furlough you in a minute, and could care less that you flew sick. But "if you call in sick the trip isn't covered". YGBSM! I find pilots a very loyal lot, UPS abuses that special trust and loyalty and remembers nothing of it. Besides, schedules and Contingency will get the 'credit', not the line pilot.
I fly professionally for UPS and the customers are mine, but UPS chooses to manage without our input. UPS needs to learn how to properly manage contingincies more effectively. Violating the contract should not be in our arsenal! Flying sick is unfair to your health (blow your eardrum will cost you dearly and UPS will not care) and your fellow crewmembers for reasons of safety! Love UPS, but will never violate the contract. That is my part to help UPS learn how to more effectively treat our customers by proper management. Not poor planning and execution.
Most respectfully.