FLMD11CAPT

Oh...Hey...Hee Hee Hee..I won't tell anyone...... Shhhhhh........

fedupbusdriver

I am sure that one morning soon, I will log on to APC and all of the postings will be closed.......

Open Mind

These forums are all opinion and all are supposedly welcome. Why are you so threatened by an attempt to clarify any CBA sect?? You prefer to yell "its not broken" rather than engage in a discussion to understand the actual language and how it may be improved. As for your Davids, I'm willing to bet you fit right in with that crowd.

FDXLAG

I think the majority of us here on this board agree that DP CBA language is not strong enough; we just think the best way to improve it is to honor the sig and not pick up DPs. It should make our bargaining position stronger if FDX has to dedicate RSV pilots to fly DPs. It is very similar IMHO to your post concerning the MEC chair and bidding 777.

I do not see how ethically bidding 777 or picking up DPs are dissimilar.

Open Mind

The B777 post was specifically directed at the MEC Chairman and meant to raise the level of outrage at his hypocrisy for telling the membership, essentially, not to bid the 777 then bidding it himself. This rises to corruption IMHO. As for anyone else, I don't have any objection to their bidding it. Other union officers have expressed dissatisfaction with the union message but the Chairman controls the message. There is no moral equivalent with a pilot making a decision which is contractually his, whether we agree with the decision or not. This is why I thought it was time to concentrate on what the contract actually says.

Gunter

Chairman and others bidding 777 = less leverage and a lower payrate on it.

Pilots flying DPs voluntarily = less leverage and worse schedules in the very near future.


The DP process has the power to keep pairings off of lines, at least for a few months, without your specific request to fly them. It has the power to affect change. I'm not talking about what we try to get on the next contract or what should be, I am interested in supporting the system we have now. So what if PC can eventually rule to kill the dispute. Let him get interviewed by the NTSB for his poor decisions. Don't make those decisions for him.

So you have to ask yourself, am I helping the team or hurting the team? I don't care about your excuses why. If you are debating AND subverting the system in place I say you are hurting the team and wish you weren't on it.

onetime

It's ridiculous already. It will be criminal when that happens

cma2407

No argument with that.

But as an aside, here is a portion of a trip that sits in open time right now in ANC. It's an 11 day death march, but check out the duty day at the end of the snippet. That's about 19 hours door-to-door, including drive time.

Trip Recap
Trip 177 ANC 11 04APR09 Rv 01
Shows in 0 days 12:22 hours
Block 5105 Pay 77:27


R D Flight ------ Scheduled ------- -------- Actual --------
R Flight H Date Org-Dst Eq Dprt Arrv Blok Turn Duty Dprt Arrv Blok Turn Duty Meals
— —————— — ——————— ——————— —— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— ——————
AS0118 X 03Apr09 ANC-SEA 1430 1750 320 40
AS0344 X 03Apr09 SEA-OAK 1830 2032 202 1937 832
GT 03APR09 2032 2102 /PENDING ASIGN
HOTEL 03APR09 /PENDING ASSIGN
GT 04APR09 1509 1509 /PENDING SSIGN
0049 04Apr09 OAK-KIX 11 1609 0344 1135 100 DH/BH
0049 05Apr09 KIX-TPE 11 0444 0737 253 2903 1658

This will no doubt get changed, but once again...the optimizer keeps turning. See, things just aren't going to get any better unless we make them that way. That's just the way it is...

NoHaz

How is this one legal? It also starts in OAK with no DH?

Trip Summary
Trip 42 ANC 11 04APR09
Shows in 2 days 14:19 hours


Deviating
Flight AC# Org-Dst Date Dprt Arrv Blok Turn Duty CFSRRJJTTT Fare Layover
—————— ——— ——————— ——————— ———— ———— ———— ———— ———— —————————— ———— —————————
0087 610 OAK-ICN 05Apr09 1600 0353 1153 147
0087 610 ICN-PEK 06Apr09 0540 0750 210 110
0087 610 PEK-PVG 06Apr09 0900 1118 218 2048 PVG 2042
0084 617 PVG-ICN 07Apr09 0800 1001 201 331 ICN 2609
0084 522 ICN-ANC 08Apr09 1210 2013 803 933

PurpleTail

Not sure but looking at the captains cell number area code he lives in the Oakland area. Something smells fishy