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Old 03-29-2009, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MEMFO4Ever
I disagree. As ridiculous as it seems, they are not doing anything that the CBA does not allow. ALPA legal is right on the money. There may be the potential for legal action (creating a hostile workplace, etc.) of some kind if the association starts publishing the names of people that are doing things that the contract currently allows.

What's next? Carryover flyers? Vacation sell-backs? Where does it end? I'm assuming it is when the vocal minority decides.
DP's are dealt with within a process. C/O, vaca buy back etc are in a different category... Don't mix them all together.....
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckwheat Jones
Bingo. Again, disputed pairings identify weak or exploitable areas of our current agreement. From the SIG page on alpa.org:


WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN THE PSIT “DISPUTES” A PAIRING?



The PSIT takes the issue of pairing disputes very seriously. Pairings are not disputed because the PSIT considers them to be merely “inconvenient.” A pairing will be disputed when identified by the FEDEX MEC as having been constructed with unsafe, onerous, or otherwise objectionable flying. The reasons for the dispute are often accompanied with their identification. The contractual procedures and handling of pairing disputes is outlined in Section 25.BB. of the Contract.

An excerpt from this Section is: “Additionally, if on a recurring basis, a pairing, disputed or not, appears in open time and is routinely avoided by pilots trip trading or eligible for make-up, OTP, etc., and therefore must be assigned to a reserve pilot, the above procedure shall apply.” The “above procedure” referenced by the excerpt, would refer the disputed pairing to the Scheduling Dispute Board for resolution. You can see that it is hoped that onerous flying would identify itself by it’s very nature and be avoided- therefore further identifying itself as in need of fixing.

As an important Contractual right: Disputed pairings should not be assigned to any crewmember but a Reserve pilot involuntarily. Except for specifically described extraordinary circumstances, Disputed Pairings will not be available in any bidpack lines and should absolutely not be assigned in CIC makeup, custom lines, or on any Secondary line without a specific request, by pairing number, from the crewmember. You will still see them in open time and in the bidpack pairing list only identified by pairing number. Please consider them carefully.

You can reference Disputed pairings and the nature of their dispute by subscribing to the Union e-mail list, or accessing the Union web-site. A copy of the monthly Scheduling Letter identifying disputes and discussing monthly changes is available both ways as well as a convenient and prominently displayed list on the main FedEx ALPA web page. Archives are available in the Scheduling section.

Disputed pairings are NOT “STRUCK WORK” and are available to any crewmember, but they can be avoided by any pilot other than a Reserve or Standby pilot. As a reminder, once open time is released, you can then get one of these disputed pairings by:

Voluntary: Requesting them by number in CIC make-up.
Voluntary: Specifically requesting a disputed pairing (by number) on a secondary or custom line.
Voluntary: Putting “volunteer for general trips” or “general make-up” in as a request in any make-up status and then being assigned a disputed pairing in open time.
Voluntary: Requesting a trip trade into a disputed pairing.
Voluntary: Accepting VLT/DRF into a disputed pairing.

Involuntary: Reserve-an option the Company always retains for the operation of any legally-constructed pairing. This assignment is involuntary and may not be turned down.

One more thing-adding deadheads to a disputed pairing and making it available to another domicile is a clever fix to a predicament from a crew scheduling point of view, but it may not contain a solution to what made the pairing disputable in the first place. Please compare new pairings to the original disputed pairing list to see if the pairing still contains the unsafe, onerous, or otherwise objectionable flying.
One of my problems is that when I read the para referencing a prg Disputed or not... it seems that a disputed prg is already subject to the above procedure, Final resolution of disputes and that the Sig may already select which track so we gain nothing for a DP in this para. My thought is that the emphasis is meant to be on the "not" as in not disputed or not accepted by the company as disputable and that this para actually gives us the ability to get a pairing that is not disputable into the resolution process. Unfortunately, since our MEC takes the position of not explaining the contract, we are left to interpet for ourselves.
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Open Mind
Unfortunately, since our MEC takes the position of not explaining the contract, we are left to interpet for ourselves.
Which is why when you fly one, "Open Mind", you are literally taking food out of the mouths of the exact people you work with. Min layovers, adding another leg whenever it will squeeze within a minute, and the optimizer rotates another half-turn each month, like clockwork. The SIG/PSIT is still locked out, so DP's are decided by mgmt and the lines are currently built by the company.

Justify it all you want, but if you were one of folks looking at getting kicked to the curb by a company still showing a Billion dollars + in net profit, you might see it differently.

Oh...maybe the MEC should send you an audio book of the contract, since actually reading it seems so difficult.
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:30 PM
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Which is why when you fly one, "Open Mind", you are literally taking food out of the mouths of the exact people you work with. Min layovers, adding another leg whenever it will squeeze within a minute, and the optimizer rotates another half-turn each month, like clockwork. The SIG/PSIT is still locked out, so DP's are decided by mgmt and the lines are currently built by the company.

Justify it all you want, but if you were one of folks looking at getting kicked to the curb by a company still showing a Billion dollars + in net profit, you might see it differently.

Oh...maybe the MEC should send you an audio book of the contract, since actually reading it seems so difficult.
Anyone willing to actually read my post will see that I haven't tried to justify anything. It is a discussion of the Sig sect most quoted... incorrectly in my opinion. I welcome other thoughts on this sect and how I may be misreading it. Its amazing that this poster offers me an audio book when I am the advocate of everyone reading the CBA and contributing their opinion. I have to wonder if CMA#### prefers an uninformed membership so he can spread his own misinformation.
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Open Mind
Anyone willing to actually read my post will see that I haven't tried to justify anything. It is a discussion of the Sig sect most quoted... incorrectly in my opinion. I welcome other thoughts on this sect and how I may be misreading it. Its amazing that this poster offers me an audio book when I am the advocate of everyone reading the CBA and contributing their opinion. I have to wonder if CMA#### prefers an uninformed membership so he can spread his own misinformation.
No....actually he is quite well informed. And, unlike you, presents the established, legal, and accepted interpretation of the SIG, PSIT and DP section of the contract correctly. Your "incorrectly interpreted in my opinion" statement is meaningless. Because "your opinion" on contract application has no bearing on any of the processes you are trying to bend to your own selfish use. You remind me of David Duke, David Koresh or any number of selfish megalomaniacs who try and take the documents, laws and contract pertinent to their world and twist, mis-inform, and worm them into a self serving template. Fly DP's if you will, but rest assured, you will be put on the marquee.
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Inflammatory. Thread closed.
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:07 PM
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Ok Deuce.....why is this inflammatory and why should this thread be closed? Sheesh.........grow some skin (Alligator) .....and a pair as well...
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:19 PM
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You haven't got the memo yet, have you? It's Thread Close Monday!
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Originally Posted by FLMD11CAPT
Ok Deuce.....why is this inflammatory and why should this thread be closed? Sheesh.........grow some skin (Alligator) .....and a pair as well...
pssst....I'm not really a moderator...don't tell anyone...
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