Downbid Training @ FedEx
03-18-2009, 04:50 PM
#11
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...looks like more will try to flock to the 777 F/O and 57 F/O to hold on to their Cpt or WB pay longer...It'll take over 2 years to get trained in those seats...well, unless you get excessed again to the 27 
Nice "little" twist before the extended bid release
Nice "little" twist before the extended bid release
03-18-2009, 04:56 PM
#12
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If at the end of this process we end up with an EXTRA 150-250 people in the back of the 27 than are needed to fly the schedule at "normal" BLGs; I would bet that those (we) S/Os would gladly work the reduced blgs even down to 48/60. 48/60 is better than 0/0.(furlough)
Now.. don't get me wrong. I am not the type of person that will go along with the company philosophy just because they are throwing a few crumbs. But I am saying it makes it easier to do since they split up the lines by crew position.
JP
Now.. don't get me wrong. I am not the type of person that will go along with the company philosophy just because they are throwing a few crumbs. But I am saying it makes it easier to do since they split up the lines by crew position.
JP
03-18-2009, 05:02 PM
#13
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While I empathize with you, are you advocating that selective groups of people negotiate their own BLGs? What happens when in the future, the Company decides to preemptively apply this "precedent" to selective fleets/seats? Too many ramifications to consider here. Even if this were possible, you have just described a CBA not worth the paper it is written on, in fact might as well write it on swiss cheese.
03-18-2009, 06:32 PM
#14
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ha Ha Ha Ha ha Hee Hee Hee Hee!!!!!!!! These guys in Mgmt are cracking me up!!!! There is no "auto eror" on this "Down-bid" FCIF. I bet a bunch of folks (excessed Capts) changed their bids to the right seat of current A/C for seniority and changed the "alignment " that the Co. wanted. JMHO. Discuss.
03-18-2009, 06:57 PM
#15
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I agree with Jumbo Pilot, based on the company interpretation of the 4a2b. I think they will dump another 150-200 in the back, get rid of all passover pay, evaluate the economy, and if no furlough drop lines in the back to 48/60. As someone on the panel, i'd be happier with 48/60 than 0/0 but I wouldn't want to see any givebacks on the CBA. I mean if the company loses the 4a2b grievance there will be less money to pay back.
03-18-2009, 08:31 PM
#16
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"If at the end of this process we end up with an EXTRA 150-250 people in the back of the 27 than are needed to fly the schedule at "normal" BLGs; I would bet that those (we) S/Os would gladly work the reduced blgs even down to 48/60. 48/60 is better than 0/0.(furlough)"
Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? What if the company says you get to still work your 15/19 days on reserve and like it? It's hard to get another job if you are still on the hook for your workdays, especially as a commuter.
I'm pretty junior and don't want to lose my job either, but would that not just be a "B" scale for everyone in the bottom airplane to get 48/60 hours because we have 150% plus staffing in the 727 while they staff the other aircraft to appropriote amounts and pay them all at or near normal BLGs?
Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? What if the company says you get to still work your 15/19 days on reserve and like it? It's hard to get another job if you are still on the hook for your workdays, especially as a commuter.
I'm pretty junior and don't want to lose my job either, but would that not just be a "B" scale for everyone in the bottom airplane to get 48/60 hours because we have 150% plus staffing in the 727 while they staff the other aircraft to appropriote amounts and pay them all at or near normal BLGs?
03-18-2009, 08:39 PM
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[quote=AirHead328;580730]...
Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? ...quote]
I would venture to guess a slew of retirements are going to take place in Nov-Dec as the elders will have their '10 vacation bank and not stick around for the contract debate. Too many risks with retirement in the next contract...IMHO
Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? ...quote]
I would venture to guess a slew of retirements are going to take place in Nov-Dec as the elders will have their '10 vacation bank and not stick around for the contract debate. Too many risks with retirement in the next contract...IMHO
03-18-2009, 08:50 PM
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[quote=Cujo;580734]
I agree on the retirements. I think we'll see a bunch go before the next contract. There could be a lot to lose for those guys.
As for it being a B scale and willingness to ride the 48/60 train. I agree, it is akin to a B scale. I however doubt it would last 5 years and also think the union has a good chance of winning the grievance, unless the new contract is signed before it is settled. I'm fortunate that I can handle the 48/60 so I have a different perspective.
With that said, it's imperative that ALPA sticks to its guns here so this whole 4a2b thing cannot be used as it is in the future. I guess it's all part of that "hidden money"
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Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? ...quote]
I would venture to guess a slew of retirements are going to take place in Nov-Dec as the elders will have their '10 vacation bank and not stick around for the contract debate. Too many risks with retirement in the next contract...IMHO
Just out of curiousity, how long are you willing to ride the 48/60 hour train? For the next 3-5 years till mandatory retirements start kicking in and thinning out the pilot workforce? ...quote]
I would venture to guess a slew of retirements are going to take place in Nov-Dec as the elders will have their '10 vacation bank and not stick around for the contract debate. Too many risks with retirement in the next contract...IMHO
As for it being a B scale and willingness to ride the 48/60 train. I agree, it is akin to a B scale. I however doubt it would last 5 years and also think the union has a good chance of winning the grievance, unless the new contract is signed before it is settled. I'm fortunate that I can handle the 48/60 so I have a different perspective.
With that said, it's imperative that ALPA sticks to its guns here so this whole 4a2b thing cannot be used as it is in the future. I guess it's all part of that "hidden money"
03-18-2009, 10:14 PM
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Looks like FR8Hauler nailed it: His post from a couple of weeks ago:
"You will be given minimal training if you are going from left seat to right seat of the same aircraft. Mark my words 1-2 weeks tops. I highly recommend you broaden your horizons and learn another aircraft in another domicile."
Today's FCIF confirms this as the case. Nice to know the day before the bid closes!
"You will be given minimal training if you are going from left seat to right seat of the same aircraft. Mark my words 1-2 weeks tops. I highly recommend you broaden your horizons and learn another aircraft in another domicile."
Today's FCIF confirms this as the case. Nice to know the day before the bid closes!
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