UPS- Pension the real target?
03-09-2009, 11:13 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
Do you really not know the answer to that question? The answer is obvious, screw the old guys!!!! No matter that they gave up a $3500 flat dollar for a $3000 flat dollar pension so that the younger group could get the big bumps in hourly rates to do away with the perceived b-scale. It's all about the "me generation".
I be the first to vote for pension reduction. I'm not willing to give up a junior pilot to a greedy geezer.
03-09-2009, 11:21 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Working
Posts: 44
"I be the first to vote for pension reduction. I'm not willing to give up a junior pilot to a greedy geezer." - brownie
That type of productive debating really helps. Definitely a unity builder.
That type of productive debating really helps. Definitely a unity builder.
03-09-2009, 11:22 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 679
pension
fr8k9....
It's hard to be facing financial ruin if you're a young guy at ups. You have time enough left at either ups or another job to accrue pension credit or 401k funding for your retirement. What is it that you want the IPA to do to prevent ups from furloughing possibly 300 crewmembers? What can the IPA do to make the overstaffing at ups go away? If you're looking to dilute the contract, think again! Once any concession is granted, you will never get it back without giving up something else.
Before you pi$$ in your wheaties some more, take the ipod out of your ears, take off your cool backpack and come up with something better than taking away a benefit from this contract to give you a better chance of staying on property longer. If you've been here any length of time, you know that dealing with ups is like dealing with the devil.
I'm off my soapbox for you and your ****ant thinking.
JMO
Pilot7576
It's hard to be facing financial ruin if you're a young guy at ups. You have time enough left at either ups or another job to accrue pension credit or 401k funding for your retirement. What is it that you want the IPA to do to prevent ups from furloughing possibly 300 crewmembers? What can the IPA do to make the overstaffing at ups go away? If you're looking to dilute the contract, think again! Once any concession is granted, you will never get it back without giving up something else.
Before you pi$$ in your wheaties some more, take the ipod out of your ears, take off your cool backpack and come up with something better than taking away a benefit from this contract to give you a better chance of staying on property longer. If you've been here any length of time, you know that dealing with ups is like dealing with the devil.
I'm off my soapbox for you and your ****ant thinking.
JMO
Pilot7576
03-09-2009, 11:24 AM
#14
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: 777 Cap
Posts: 199
You can freeze current a pension, meaning that no further benefits accrue, or you can reduce future accruals.
In either case, the pension liability does not go away and must be dealt with.
About the only DB plans not in trouble, are those that went to bonds while they were at a fully funded status.
03-09-2009, 11:33 AM
#15
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
UPS can completely do away with the pension for all I care. I haven't been planning on it being around anyway.
With all the old guys referring to the young guys facing financial ruin as the 'me generation' and the other names that guys like say again and jungle use, I'd be willing to guess that all the pilots around my age and younger would gladly sell the old guys pensions away. I know I would! I'd laugh my ass off at some of you crabby, crusy old dirt bags that are so willing to dump our newest guys to the street just so you can buy that bigger boat or airplane. I'll be glad to see you guys gone, that's for sure.
With all the old guys referring to the young guys facing financial ruin as the 'me generation' and the other names that guys like say again and jungle use, I'd be willing to guess that all the pilots around my age and younger would gladly sell the old guys pensions away. I know I would! I'd laugh my ass off at some of you crabby, crusy old dirt bags that are so willing to dump our newest guys to the street just so you can buy that bigger boat or airplane. I'll be glad to see you guys gone, that's for sure.
03-09-2009, 11:38 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: MD11 FO
Posts: 171
All of this talk - young vs old, junior vs senior, etc - is exactly what UPS wants to hear. This is playing out the way they want it to. Please don't let that happen. Focus your anger and frustrations anywhere except towards your fellow IPAers. Let's focus on what we can control - not what we can't.
03-09-2009, 11:50 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Working
Posts: 44
All of this talk - young vs old, junior vs senior, etc - is exactly what UPS wants to hear. This is playing out the way they want it to. Please don't let that happen. Focus your anger and frustrations anywhere except towards your fellow IPAers. Let's focus on what we can control - not what we can't.
Just curious however, how is it any different when one group is expecting someone else to give up their livelihood for another. Whether you are junior/senior or young/old - to express oneself in the manner that "brownie" or "FR8K9", is just not well thought out. Direct your energy towards the real culprits - UPS and the economy.
03-09-2009, 11:58 AM
#18
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Hey grandpa,
Put your hearing aid back in and put your glasses on and read the f*ing message old man. I am not facing financial ruin, but our younger pilots that just came off first year pay and then were downgraded to FE are if they get furloughed!
You, on the other hand just won a million dollar lottery ticket and probably have a boat, a big house and an airplane.
Man, I'll be glad to see you old geezers out of here.
I vote for cutting your pension! All of it. How much will that save?
Put your hearing aid back in and put your glasses on and read the f*ing message old man. I am not facing financial ruin, but our younger pilots that just came off first year pay and then were downgraded to FE are if they get furloughed!
You, on the other hand just won a million dollar lottery ticket and probably have a boat, a big house and an airplane.
Man, I'll be glad to see you old geezers out of here.
I vote for cutting your pension! All of it. How much will that save?
03-09-2009, 12:01 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 129
You mean the ones that "gamed the system?" At the vast majority of other airlines this group wouldn't be asked for anything, they'd be GONE.
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