IPA furloughs gone for five years
03-09-2009, 10:06 AM
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I personally think a better number to look at would be the number of pilots that are 64 and above starting starting in September because they will not be around for peak in 2010. You can add this number to the amount of guys that UPS furloughs in September 2009.
Also, the requirement of having a pilot under 60 flying with a pilot over 60 is going to present a huge problem for UPS if they furlough 300, because that will wipe many of the young guys out of Anchorage.
I'm planning on being furloughed, but I think UPS is taking a big chance that they won't be able to make service.
Also, the requirement of having a pilot under 60 flying with a pilot over 60 is going to present a huge problem for UPS if they furlough 300, because that will wipe many of the young guys out of Anchorage.
I'm planning on being furloughed, but I think UPS is taking a big chance that they won't be able to make service.
UPS has probably done their homework in regards to actually how many they want to furlough. Then they probably added 30-50% and threw it as a hot potato to the IPA and said lets see what we can get in concessions.
If they don't have a plan to deal with the amount of guys they are planning on furloughing then they have absolutely zero business acumen.
Just my two bits..
03-09-2009, 10:25 AM
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Your argument has one hole in it. If the "new IPA" guys are furloughed they will be replaced with "other IPA" guys who are also under the age of 60.
UPS has probably done their homework in regards to actually how many they want to furlough. Then they probably added 30-50% and threw it as a hot potato to the IPA and said lets see what we can get in concessions.
If they don't have a plan to deal with the amount of guys they are planning on furloughing then they have absolutely zero business acumen.
Just my two bits..
UPS has probably done their homework in regards to actually how many they want to furlough. Then they probably added 30-50% and threw it as a hot potato to the IPA and said lets see what we can get in concessions.
If they don't have a plan to deal with the amount of guys they are planning on furloughing then they have absolutely zero business acumen.
Just my two bits..
As far as the fact of UPS replacing old with new up in Alaska, I agree also. The point that I was making is the fact that UPS will be losing every pilot that is 64 years old and greater plus the pilots that they furlough in September 2009. They won't have them available for peak 2010 - unless they plan a short furlough.
I think a good number to figure is the # of guys that are 64 and above starting in September, not 65.
03-09-2009, 12:12 PM
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Crewmembers and 65.
What I get.
Currently..........................35
Additions to go this year.......5
65th Birthday in 2010..........28
65th Birthday in 2011..........49
65th Birthday in 2012..........54
65th Birthday in 2013..........49
What I get.
Currently..........................35
Additions to go this year.......5
65th Birthday in 2010..........28
65th Birthday in 2011..........49
65th Birthday in 2012..........54
65th Birthday in 2013..........49
03-09-2009, 12:24 PM
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That is why am getting current numbers, since the juniority data is for age 60. That means they show high now till 2013, then the rate will show higher for 2012 through around 2016 and then pickup at the rate with 5 year shift. The IPA data will do this for us and save the tedious counts.
UPS has all the same stuff.
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03-09-2009, 12:41 PM
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Roberto,
That is why am getting current numbers, since the juniority data is for age 60. That means they show high now till 2013, then the rate will show higher for 2012 through around 2016 and then pickup at the rate with 5 year shift. The IPA data will do this for us and save the tedious counts.
UPS has all the same stuff.
That is why am getting current numbers, since the juniority data is for age 60. That means they show high now till 2013, then the rate will show higher for 2012 through around 2016 and then pickup at the rate with 5 year shift. The IPA data will do this for us and save the tedious counts.
UPS has all the same stuff.
I've got 9 more days of RSCP this month. Pretty much planning on getting released each day.
03-09-2009, 12:50 PM
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How many older than age 65 will be forced to retire if UPS parks the DC8s in September? If they park the DC8, every FE age-64 and greater will be forced to retire, I would think.
EDIT: I just went through and counted and it looks like about 50-55 guys will be forced to retire and won't be retrained on anything if the DC8 is parked in September since they are either >65 or they are already 64.
Does it seem like the plan is to park all the DC8s in 2009?
EDIT: I just went through and counted and it looks like about 50-55 guys will be forced to retire and won't be retrained on anything if the DC8 is parked in September since they are either >65 or they are already 64.
Does it seem like the plan is to park all the DC8s in 2009?
03-09-2009, 08:13 PM
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How many older than age 65 will be forced to retire if UPS parks the DC8s in September? If they park the DC8, every FE age-64 and greater will be forced to retire, I would think.
EDIT: I just went through and counted and it looks like about 50-55 guys will be forced to retire and won't be retrained on anything if the DC8 is parked in September since they are either >65 or they are already 64.
Does it seem like the plan is to park all the DC8s in 2009?
EDIT: I just went through and counted and it looks like about 50-55 guys will be forced to retire and won't be retrained on anything if the DC8 is parked in September since they are either >65 or they are already 64.
Does it seem like the plan is to park all the DC8s in 2009?
No, they won't force them to retire. They will probably just keep one DC8 as a "spare" and be "fat" on FE's. I mean, the company has just made it so easy for these guys (the guys that hate them the most) to stick around and get back into the left/right seat, so why stop now?
03-09-2009, 09:22 PM
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And for all you people who think we are on the verge of a depression, should pick up a book on the subject. When we get to 25% unemployment, then you can begin to talk. If that happens, I don't think there will be a need for either UPS or Fedex next day Air. We may have 300 pilots total on the list, and I will be eating dinner at the local church and living in a van down by the river!
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03-10-2009, 04:37 AM
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???
28,000 fewer block hours, dozens of acft parked, volume down 5-10%, mechanics furloughed, part-time ground pounders fired, full-time Teamsters laid off... do you see a pattern FR8K9?
Do you read the newspaper about the huge number of job losses and bankruptcies outside of UPS?
"allow this to happen"? You are confused and have grossly unrealistic expectations regarding the power of a union, IMO.
Joe
28,000 fewer block hours, dozens of acft parked, volume down 5-10%, mechanics furloughed, part-time ground pounders fired, full-time Teamsters laid off... do you see a pattern FR8K9?
Do you read the newspaper about the huge number of job losses and bankruptcies outside of UPS?
"allow this to happen"? You are confused and have grossly unrealistic expectations regarding the power of a union, IMO.
Joe
I want a good contract to come back to, so I don't want to see everything given up either, but you can have snap backs and other things to assure not losing in the end.
03-10-2009, 04:52 AM
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UPS is not facing Bankruptcy. There will be NO concessions.
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