Originally Posted by jungle

Popular folklore portrays the older pilot here as a toy laden, greedy, and divorced. In reality many of us are helping family members, ailing parents, and have other obligations some of you have yet to experience. A few have been cut in half by an ugly divorce and cut in half again by the market and are now facing a lengthy retirement with the same obligations to family as before, but of course this has nothing to do with you and isn't your fault.

I am not saying no to any aid to the furloughed, but I think some of us have some unreasonable expectations as to the amount and duration involved.

I see a lot of hate directed at the company with nary a word about the sort of economic storm they are trying to operate in, and some see this as a conspiracy against the pilot group. Just a while back many of you were telling us what a great place to work this is, and how happy the company made you. Start taking a good look at what changed.

Originally Posted by jungle

And how do you propose to get that union paycut back?

Originally Posted by Slice

I think it would be ended just as it was initiated, by majority vote.

Originally Posted by jungle

What if the majority were to become furloughed? In the end we will have to try to reclaim a paycut whether it is by the union or the company. This situation could exist for a very long time.

Originally Posted by jungle

What if the majority were to become furloughed? In the end we will have to try to reclaim a paycut whether it is by the union or the company. This situation could exist for a very long time.

Originally Posted by Avg Joe

Sorry AW... but I disagree with your MANDATORY premise. If people would like to VOLUNTARILY contribute to a fund then I'm all for it and would be happy to contribute.

Manning levels are at the discretion of the company and EVERYONE in this industry understands the cyclical nature of the airline business and its associated hazards when one is junior. I don't mean to sound harsh or unsympathetic to the plight of those facing potential furlough, but when I accepted employment with UPS (and membership into the IPA) I did NOT also agree to financially support nearly 3000 co-workers! It simply was not part of the agreement.

Everywhere I turn people want a handout or bailout. Some need to be reminded that it is incumbent upon all of us to provide for ourselves in life. If you're unfortunate to be furloughed, then you do what others do every day in other industries that downsize and scramble to find another job doing ANYTHING to pay the bills until you are recalled or choose another career path. I assume that if you are furloughed then you are young, healthy and able-bodied. I'm sure we've all been in a similar situation sometime in our careers (just out of college, between jobs, downsized, furloughed, fired, separated from military, etc...)

My wife and friends are in complete disbelief that co-workers united only by their membership in a trade union would be expected to financially support hundreds or thousands of their co-workers. You are essentially proposing to garnish people's wages to force them to give to a charity. All else aside, I'm fairly certain a mandatory confiscation of someone's wages to forcibly contribute to a charity is illegal.

Just to repeat... I'm all for a voluntary fund.


Joe

Originally Posted by viktorbravo

Thats like saying, "I wont give a thing, but other people can." Muy malo. Get over it, you will take a paycut either way....... BTW, its spelled "sense."