UPS chief pilot
03-05-2009, 11:14 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 295
What gives you the right to say who is or who is not qualified? Everyone that works here at UPS has earned their position at this company. Explain to me how an airline operates without pilots to do the training and the checking? To suggest that every manager or supervisor is under qualified is sheer nonsense and the matter of being overpaid is a different argument. Granted there are different experience levels, but that also exists among our line pilots. I would place my experience level against yours or anyone else here at UPS, and I assure you that I am not under qualified. When are people like you going to realize we all work for the same company and that we have 500,000 employees world wide that continue to make this a great place to work. This company does not live or die by the Air Group.
Having experienced a furlough at another carrier for 5 years I hope that we can find a way to avoid any layoffs. During this global economic downturn it will take some critical choices by UPS to maintain the profitability of our company. Get a life and stop suggesting that people are running around UPS justifying their existence!!
Having experienced a furlough at another carrier for 5 years I hope that we can find a way to avoid any layoffs. During this global economic downturn it will take some critical choices by UPS to maintain the profitability of our company. Get a life and stop suggesting that people are running around UPS justifying their existence!!
As far as your second statement, taking $53 million per year directly from the employees who have contributed exponentially that amount to the company's revenue is not one of the choices that will allow UPS to "maintain the profitability of our company"
03-05-2009, 11:35 AM
#12
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 295
SEGATAKI, now that we have your attention I asked this question in another thread; perhaps as a "manager" you can break away from the perception of uselessness your group has for just a moment, and provide an answer or at least some insight....
How is it you guys get to circumnavigate the FAR duty limits?
Now this is a message board topic a judge can use!
Now back to your regularly scheduled uselessness.
What I'd like to know is how these certified airmen are allowed to sit in the office to write all their BS revisions (like I'm sure the DC-8 needed a complete reprint of the systems manual last week), then be able to go out and start a 'new' duty period flying.
I blame the local FAA for allowing this one.
You are either on duty or on rest. There is no middle ground. Working in the company office isn't "rest".
I blame the local FAA for allowing this one.
You are either on duty or on rest. There is no middle ground. Working in the company office isn't "rest".
Now this is a message board topic a judge can use!
Now back to your regularly scheduled uselessness.
Last edited by J Dawg; 03-05-2009 at 12:01 PM.
03-05-2009, 12:03 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 320
You have obviously drank too much of their "Brown Kool-Aid". You say all have earned their position here at UPS, give me a break. You managers are the most under-worked group around! That will change with a furlough, pack your bags and get ready to find out what work on the line is like! Oh, can you write MRB's while on the road as well?
I'm an IPA guy but I do have to disagree with you on one point, management pilots here at UPS are not under worked by any measure. They work hard and are expected to perform regardless of work rules or FAR's for that matter. They're superhuman superhero superpilots as seen by Atlanta. Why else would you expect Atlanta want to furlough us IPA bums but keep all of those superhero pilots? Get the big picture yet? <NG>
03-05-2009, 12:44 PM
#15
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: whale driver
Posts: 61
Segataki you are a mgmnt and stuck in anchorage and obviously an enemy of a line pilot. I'm not talking to you because i'll be screaming at a brick wall. I don't care what you say and don't care for managment pilots here. They are not like mgmt in other carriers and just like what airbum said your job is to break the union and a tool to lower union pay and concession so don't engage in any conversation with me because I DON'T CARE for YOU OR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY>
03-05-2009, 12:49 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: The IPA EB speaks for me
Posts: 529
Segataki,
Thanks for posting, some of us newbs need to know who's around here with little to do other than monitor the 'net. Or, ok- LOTS to do, but still monitor the net- whichever.... How much did the 300 make for UPS on their probation year?
Thanks for posting, some of us newbs need to know who's around here with little to do other than monitor the 'net. Or, ok- LOTS to do, but still monitor the net- whichever.... How much did the 300 make for UPS on their probation year?
03-05-2009, 01:13 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,333
Your first highlighted statement tells me you are lying about your past airline experience, as the UPS airline management "airline within airline" is the exception in the industry, not the norm. Most instructors and check airmen are union guys in the outside world.
As far as your second statement, taking $53 million per year directly from the employees who have contributed exponentially that amount to the company's revenue is not one of the choices that will allow UPS to "maintain the profitability of our company"
As far as your second statement, taking $53 million per year directly from the employees who have contributed exponentially that amount to the company's revenue is not one of the choices that will allow UPS to "maintain the profitability of our company"
I too wish our company would hire check airman, instructors, etc only from within our ranks - just like all other airlines do. I also think that'd be what Casey Brothers would've wanted - they always promoted from within. I have hard time understanding how hiring from outside follows their steps but that's way above my pay grade.
I personally think we should stay firm on our goals without getting personal with any of our managers. They made a decision to come here and obviously have to stick to their decision as they have no other choice. To demonize them serves no good purpose in my opinion.
Especially when we jump on someone like Segataki who in my opinion is a very fair and straight forward guy; I actually enjoyed flying with him. If you've read my posts before you know I like to be a straight shooter so I am not looking for any brownie points here.
What I am saying is that we should stay united without becoming antagonistic because that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Just my 1/2 penny...
Fire away...
03-05-2009, 01:46 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
I've flown with Segataki and know he's not lying about having been in the airline industry for many years. It's his prerogative to share his background with us so I won't get into any details however, he's right when he says he has lots of airline experience.
I too wish our company would hire check airman, instructors, etc only from within our ranks - just like all other airlines do. I also think that'd be what Casey Brothers would've wanted - they always promoted from within. I have hard time understanding how hiring from outside follows their steps but that's way above my pay grade.
I personally think we should stay firm on our goals without getting personal with any of our managers. They made a decision to come here and obviously have to stick to their decision as they have no other choice. To demonize them serves no good purpose in my opinion.
Especially when we jump on someone like Segataki who in my opinion is a very fair and straight forward guy; I actually enjoyed flying with him. If you've read my posts before you know I like to be a straight shooter so I am not looking for any brownie points here.
What I am saying is that we should stay united without becoming antagonistic because that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Just my 1/2 penny...
Fire away...
I too wish our company would hire check airman, instructors, etc only from within our ranks - just like all other airlines do. I also think that'd be what Casey Brothers would've wanted - they always promoted from within. I have hard time understanding how hiring from outside follows their steps but that's way above my pay grade.
I personally think we should stay firm on our goals without getting personal with any of our managers. They made a decision to come here and obviously have to stick to their decision as they have no other choice. To demonize them serves no good purpose in my opinion.
Especially when we jump on someone like Segataki who in my opinion is a very fair and straight forward guy; I actually enjoyed flying with him. If you've read my posts before you know I like to be a straight shooter so I am not looking for any brownie points here.
What I am saying is that we should stay united without becoming antagonistic because that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Just my 1/2 penny...
Fire away...
03-05-2009, 02:09 PM
#19
Where's my Mai Tai?
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: fins to the left, fins to the right
Posts: 1,754
His profile says -400. How have you flown with him?
03-05-2009, 02:11 PM
#20
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 257
I dislike the "inner airline" just as much as the next guy but I tend to agree with AV8OR. I dont see any value in degrading the mgt pilots. The ones I've talked to are guys like you and me. Many were furloughed from previous airlines and Brown offered them a job and they took it. Some just wanted to work in a mgt capacity and had no desire to undercut the pilot group. How many IPAers would have turned down a UPS mgt pilot slot when they sitting at home furloughed (I know thats not everyone's story). I was halfway through probation before I fully understood the threat that the mgt guys presented to us and I'm sure some of them were on property before they realized it too (other than the crossovers). In fact does anyone know how many mgt guys were hired off the street and how many came from within?
Once again I'm a IPAer, in the potential furlough group and I think the mgt gang should be laid off with or before any union pilots but its not b/c I dont like them personally...its just whats right IMO
Once again I'm a IPAer, in the potential furlough group and I think the mgt gang should be laid off with or before any union pilots but its not b/c I dont like them personally...its just whats right IMO
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