FDX-New NC message up.
03-04-2009, 06:47 PM
#22
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 4,304
Dude ...
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
Last edited by MaydayMark; 03-04-2009 at 07:35 PM.
03-04-2009, 06:58 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Dude ...
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo.). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo.). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
03-04-2009, 07:03 PM
#24
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Actually guys, its not any one of us harming the other one right now.
The company is not paying us the BLG. If a furlough were to occur, it would not be done by pilots to pilots, it would be done by management.
Stressful times create tension between groups. If you want to exacerbate that tension and give lots of ammo to those working to fracture us, keep blaming other pilots. If you want to work through this together, and survive for the long haul, then maybe you need to count to 10, step back from the computer, and take a walk.
There are no winners in this game right now. Conversely, too much sniping and we can all end up losers. Focus on those who brought us to this point, not on the pilot to the left, right, or rear seat...
The company is not paying us the BLG. If a furlough were to occur, it would not be done by pilots to pilots, it would be done by management.
Stressful times create tension between groups. If you want to exacerbate that tension and give lots of ammo to those working to fracture us, keep blaming other pilots. If you want to work through this together, and survive for the long haul, then maybe you need to count to 10, step back from the computer, and take a walk.
There are no winners in this game right now. Conversely, too much sniping and we can all end up losers. Focus on those who brought us to this point, not on the pilot to the left, right, or rear seat...
03-04-2009, 07:21 PM
#25
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 3B
Posts: 1,052
I for one would simply like to see these messages from the NC and MEC written in plain english. I can make better sense out of the O-grams than I can out of these gobblygook missives from the head shed.
Is it really that complicated? I read that message and I really have no idea what the hey they are talking about. Some plain language specifics would sure be nice.
Is it really that complicated? I read that message and I really have no idea what the hey they are talking about. Some plain language specifics would sure be nice.
03-04-2009, 07:51 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 357
Originally Posted by MD10PLT 
You're right
The fear is not whether the company will follow the contract. I have no doubt they will. It may be a different interpretation than we would like but they will follow the contract. The fear is; will our union will follow the contract. If the company needs relief and comes to the union, I have no doubt the Block 1 guys will through the junior guys under the bus to keep the bid lines up. Look at the last contract, who had the most influence on the contract, based on the outcome.
The above is a quote from this thread
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...n-fired-5.html
What we feared is probably going to happen
You're right
The fear is not whether the company will follow the contract. I have no doubt they will. It may be a different interpretation than we would like but they will follow the contract. The fear is; will our union will follow the contract. If the company needs relief and comes to the union, I have no doubt the Block 1 guys will through the junior guys under the bus to keep the bid lines up. Look at the last contract, who had the most influence on the contract, based on the outcome.
Well, if there is any attempt by the union to give the company relief from 4.A.2.b that makes it easier for the company to furlough/excess, I would hope the lower 90% of us would raise he11. I know I will. Hopefully, those elected after the FDA debacle would, too. (Albie, Tony C., etc.)
Makes you wonder if this is one of the things that had to do with FE's departure. Wonder what Block the new NC is going to come from?
Makes you wonder if this is one of the things that had to do with FE's departure. Wonder what Block the new NC is going to come from?
The above is a quote from this thread
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...n-fired-5.html
What we feared is probably going to happen
03-04-2009, 08:08 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 113
Dude ...
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
mark, chill....All i was saying is that if they, the company, furloughs then BLG's would probably come up. With the carryover game, some do very well, while other will have NO paycheck. I know it is part of the industry. I to have been let loose from an airline as well. Ive been crawling my way back up and havnt had enough time to dig out debt. I do feel your loss of pay is significant, the same way my own way is significant. I know I am not alone in this and did not mean to disrespect anyone. Thanks for the vent.
Next verse same as the first.
03-04-2009, 08:20 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: On the corner, covered in Stickum
Posts: 376
Dude ...
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
03-04-2009, 08:44 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 329
Dude ...
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
I almost hate to dignify your reply with a response but ... I'm taking a 6 hour pay hit with 4.a.2.b (6 x 238/hr = $1428/mo. That's more than $17,000/yr!). I'm sorry if you don't feel that's significant and that I wont feel it, I do (I'm still in my f/o house, still married to the first wife, don't own any expensive toys).
Maybe unlike many at FedEx, I've been furloughed. You've got a lot of nerve telling me about how some will be taking a 100% pay hit. Fortunately, I had a working wife, I was still in the Reserves and I had marketable job skills and I was able to land a VERY GOOD non flying job ... I was lucky.
It's thanks to guys like me that you're not living in a cardboard box under a bridge right now, telling your mentally ill buds how you used to be an airline pilot. I ALWAYS buy the first round of beers ... rest assured, if I can figure out who you are, you'll be eating alone.
Best Regards, (no smiles)
Mark
First, cry me a river about your 6 CH loss. I'm down almost 10 CHs in March from the old normal. I don't need to multiply by any fancy 238/hr (mine ain't that much) and come up with some big number to waive under someone's nose. My PERCENTAGE loss is bigger than yours.
Second, it's not due to 'guys like you' that he's still here, it's due to the CONTRACT. Apparently, if it were up to 'guys like you', he'd have the wonderful opportunity to stick around as long as he could put up with your puling about how you're out 'over $17,000/year'.
Lastly, I love the unity building your Shared Sacrifice message has created. Next time you feel the need to boo-hoo on here about 4.A.2.b., please don't...
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