FDX - Excess Bid Strategies
02-28-2009, 11:45 AM
#81
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And if the man decides that POP is costing him too much maybe he will fix the LOA or negotiate in good faith with ALPA (motto: how does it help guys over 53 with 10 years on the property?) to fix all the loopholes including 4.A.2.b.
Although as a caveat; Fixing the LOA will surely screw those of us who would have bid it if it wasn't such a hose job.
Although as a caveat; Fixing the LOA will surely screw those of us who would have bid it if it wasn't such a hose job.
Amen brother.... The man isn't going to fix an LOA that we voted for, unless they still can't get any takers from the HKG F/O side of the house.
I'ld love to see the man pay passover for HKG Capts and still not get enough F/Os....
02-28-2009, 11:50 AM
#82
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
I agree, my question was somewhat rhetorical to DL about how they could cancel the 5 most Jr guys without triggering POP. You would agree that if an excessed guy bids HKG Capt he should either go or be eligible for POP assuming he is senior to the "low" HKG capt?
Last edited by FDXLAG; 02-28-2009 at 12:00 PM. Reason: what the meaning of is is.
02-28-2009, 11:55 AM
#83
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 38
You might want to read Section 11.M again. I may be wrong but with a new airplane type you can instruct in it. You are treated like a professional instructor. You can only fly the line in PDO status and it has to be with a SCA/LCA.
02-28-2009, 12:01 PM
#84
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Joined APC: May 2008
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Another.... Why would the company excess 50 727 SO's, the cheapest seat in the house - they don't seem to care about financial burden - give me an honest answer to that.
02-28-2009, 12:07 PM
#85
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1. A flex instructor/PCA who checks and instructs Captains and/or First Officers shall be currently qualified as a Captain in the aircraft on which he checks and instructs.
A. A flex instructor/PCA shall have a minimum of 300 hours in the
aircraft in which he performs his flex/PCA duties.
B. The provisions of Section 11.M.1.a., shall be waived in case of an
aircraft type new to the company fleet.
The new airplane part only negates 1.A not section 1. We are off track, but all I was saying is that which is right and spelled out may not be clear after all...... especially when the lawyers get involved.....
02-28-2009, 12:18 PM
#86
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: Who knows...waiting for a bid
Posts: 379
Sorry about that, just trying to be clear, I agree with you on that. As for what the company is doing right now, it is anyone's guess. With this blg reduction and their ability to interpret the contract however they want, I am wondering if they are going to just do whatever they deam cost efficient(like what you said), and then say, "well ok, greive it."
02-28-2009, 12:47 PM
#87
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Not to mince words, but to
1. A flex instructor/PCA who checks and instructs Captains and/or First Officers shall be currently qualified as a Captain in the aircraft on which he checks and instructs.
A. A flex instructor/PCA shall have a minimum of 300 hours in the
aircraft in which he performs his flex/PCA duties.
B. The provisions of Section 11.M.1.a., shall be waived in case of an
aircraft type new to the company fleet.
The new airplane part only negates 1.A not section 1. We are off track, but all I was saying is that which is right and spelled out may not be clear after all...... especially when the lawyers get involved.....
1. A flex instructor/PCA who checks and instructs Captains and/or First Officers shall be currently qualified as a Captain in the aircraft on which he checks and instructs.
A. A flex instructor/PCA shall have a minimum of 300 hours in the
aircraft in which he performs his flex/PCA duties.
B. The provisions of Section 11.M.1.a., shall be waived in case of an
aircraft type new to the company fleet.
The new airplane part only negates 1.A not section 1. We are off track, but all I was saying is that which is right and spelled out may not be clear after all...... especially when the lawyers get involved.....
02-28-2009, 01:09 PM
#88
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,419
If you are excessed, and have bid HKG Capt, then you are going to be getting Capt pay. Either as POP, or as an activated HKG Capt. The seniority of the "low" HKG capt has nothing to do with it. If you are denied the slot, and can't hold W/B Capt anywhere else in the system, then you get POP even if your seniority is below the caboose in HKG
02-28-2009, 01:25 PM
#90
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Posts: 38
???
If you are excessed, and have bid HKG Capt, then you are going to be getting Capt pay. Either as POP, or as an activated HKG Capt. The seniority of the "low" HKG capt has nothing to do with it. If you are denied the slot, and can't hold W/B Capt anywhere else in the system, then you get POP even if your seniority is below the caboose in HKG
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