fedupbusdriver

Let me think on it....

kronan

Keep in mind, an FDA posting has to be open for at least 45 days, while a Vacancy/Excess posting only has to be open for 14 days (24.B.c)

Albie, I can't find any verbiage about when POP would start for an excessed pilot denied an FDA slot. So, IMO, it should start the bid period following the excess bid closure. When you were exploring bidding HKG last iteration, did you get any definitive answers/opinions from the boys

FXDX

I don't see how they can have an excess and a vacancy at the same time, so bidding HKG (Captain) in hopes of getting passover (and not wanting to go) is now a much bigger gamble. The top 20 guys who bid it will go, the rest will be eligible for passover pay.

With 20 open Captain seats in HKG, by bidding that seat just for passover, you are betting that there are going to be 20 guys senior to you who bid it and will actually have to go. When they don't sign the letter, guess what, the next junior guy has to go. Oh wait, he doesn't sign the letter either. Sooner or later they might get down to you. That is a pretty ballsy bet to make if you don't want to go to HKG. Of course, you too will also have the option of not signing the letter and not going.

Once again, the company has figured out a way to keep the upper hand in the minutia of the contract.

FXDX

POP would start when you would have been expected to go to training and activate in the new seat. You don't start getting paid for a new seat the next bid period after a bid. Some time frame for actual training and activation would seem appropriate. Obviously if 50 guys were in that position, they wouldn't all train at the same time and activate at the same time. The senior guy on the list would start receiving POP long before the junior guy. Some artificial time frame would have to be created, and I think that is what the virtual training letter was designed to simulate.

fedupbusdriver

It is covered in the latest grievance decision posted here.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/fdx/Deskto...cumentID=44714

FDXLAG

You guys are over thinking this. Nothing stops the company from having 20 HKG Capt slots open on an excess bid if their intention is to plus up HKG. All that they have to do is say we have 59 Capts we need 79. They have stated that is their intention. But why can't the union tell us this?

fedupbusdriver

Daniel, my brotha, you are correct. The guy quoted above obviously had too much wine last night.

Mushroom

Forgive me for the following comment, but why pay someone passover pay for a seat they never intend to go to. That was never the intention of passover pay. We would all love to get paid for a job we don't do, but come on. If you want to go to HKG as Capt, bid it, if not don't. If you want to roll the dice because you don't care if you go or not, but want the money, go for it. I honestly don't know anyone or even heard anyones name who is getting passover pay for bidding HKG Cpat. Not to say they don't exist, I'm sure, but I'm sure it is not as prevelant as some may believe. I do see why the company posted the 20 slots, it does make a proverbial game of chicken with those that might be trying for passover. Make no mistake, the folks at the company that does the stuff are smart. Also, what constitutes an "excess"at an FDA? Well I would say if 20 people bid Capt on this vacancy and then later an excessed individual trys to make it 21, that isn't an excess, 30 extra 40 extra..... Who says how many is an excess, the company. Let the games begin.

kronan

Thanks, great info for those thinking of "gaming" the system.

fedupbusdriver

An excess means that someone is forced to leave the FDA. Cut and dried.