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Old 02-18-2009, 01:01 PM
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............essentially requires payback if you don't eventually end up going to HKG (change bid, fail to bid, bid sideways, fail training etc.)
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Finally found it...

https://crewroom.alpa.org/fdx/Deskto...cumentID=44714
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............essentially requires payback if you don't eventually end up going to HKG (or similar paying seat)(change bid, fail to bid, bid sideways, fail training etc.)
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:19 PM
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Similar paying seat at 100% is the way I read it...
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:45 PM
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Not to be a jerk....

...but seriously, is this new news to anybody?

Of course you have to pay back passover pay if:

*you fail upgrade when you are finally sent to class
*refuse to go to an equal paying seat elsewhere if that is available first
*change your bid to a lower paying seat position and are awarded that

Did anyone not know this?
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Why was an agreement necessary? Don't we have provisions in the contract covering this?

What did we give up here?
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Why was an agreement necessary? Don't we have provisions in the contract covering this?....
...maybe fixing some loose ends and getting ducks in a row
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Originally Posted by Cujo
...maybe fixing some loose ends and getting ducks in a row
I think the similar paying seat is the new stuff. Why should I have to pay back money when I want to go to base X when it is not available and base Y becomes available which I do not want to go to?
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Originally Posted by Cujo
...maybe fixing some loose ends and getting ducks in a row
One issue was when do you start passover since NOBODY was training on the same bid (08-03). While all of us have plenty of opinions on what we think would be "fair", "common sense", or "contractual", the fact is it was a contractual gray area that had to be hashed out with a bunch of lawyers.

I probably pestered the legal team about every two weeks about the issue since last May. They have been exceedingly patient during some frustratingly slow negotiations, and have put up with my barrage of calls and emails with grace.

For details on the hows and whys, I strongly suggest you do what the Message Line suggests and contract Coy in Grievance or the legal team. They can answer your questions with the details you want.
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Old 02-18-2009, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Why was an agreement necessary? Don't we have provisions in the contract covering this?

What did we give up here?
For one you can't bid HKG strictly for passover with no intentions of going anymore
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