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Old 02-15-2009, 07:50 PM
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Angry FDX - (Bogus) Accepted Fares - revisited

Just got an email confirmation of a deadhead ticket for mid-March (purchased by the company almost an entire month in advance)

Difference between actual cost of the ticket and published "accepted fare" = over $70.00 (actual cost higher - of course)

I know this is a relatively small amount of money, but multiplied over all the dh tickets the company buys, it could potentially add up to a LOT.

Just another way the pilots are being forced to foot the bill around here.

Is anyone else seeing this for Feb or March?

If so, is the union still compiling statistical data on this?
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[QUOTE=AFW_MD11;559990]Just got an email confirmation of a deadhead ticket for mid-March (purchased by the company almost an entire month in advance)

Difference between actual cost of the ticket and published "accepted fare" = over $70.00 (actual cost higher - of course)

I know this is a relatively small amount of money, but multiplied over all the dh tickets the company buys, it could potentially add up to a LOT.

Just another way the pilots are being forced to foot the bill around here.

Is anyone else seeing this for Feb or March?





On a related note I just tried to book a ticket on NW and it showed a fare of $341. When I went to purchase it the fare jumped up to $592. I almost bit off before I realized the discrepancy. Talked to Global Travel and they told me they can't book the reduced rate ticket so I should try to jumpseat because they can't fix it until the middle of the week. So be careful out there booking your tickets!
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If so, is the union still compiling statistical data on this?
Only if you/we send them the details about dates, times, flight numbers and the different fares.
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Anyone notice the $283 accepted fares on NWA from MEM to LAX in MAR? I DH to LAX a fair amount and the fare has always been around $400 - 500...

Things that make you go hmmmm...
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Contact DT at contract enforcement. He is collecting data on accepted fare differences. He needs copies of emails/pairings not just verbal rehashing of phone calls.
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Looks like we have to carefully collect and forward information so ALPA can show the company what they already know they are doing to us.

We must have the evidence to prove to an OUTSIDE party what they are doing.

Interesting....


If this is business like I really, really wouldn't want to see an adversarial relationship.
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I have been tracking this for several years now in a spreadsheet.

Last year it was consistently more expensive to deviate than the accepted fare. The company's cost was also consistently higher than the accepted fare.

I can't speak to Feb or Mar D/Hs, but for the last 6 months, the accepted fare has been consistently at or slightly higher than the company ended up paying.
Perhaps the trend is reversing again?
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I can not remember when the rules changed but when I was hired, in the 95 to 96 time frame, the accepted fare was based on the actual fare for non deviating crew member. As a crew member who lived in memphis at the time all the deviating crew members used to get a copy of my ticket for their records. Not sure why that is still not the standard today. If the non-deviating actual ticket is 900.00 dollars and the accepted fare is 600.00 than that is BS.
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Looks like we have to carefully collect and forward information so ALPA can show the company what they already know they are doing to us.

We must have the evidence to prove to an OUTSIDE party what they are doing.

Interesting....


If this is business like I really, really wouldn't want to see an adversarial relationship.
Exactly! The burden of proof has been placed upon us to show the company information they already have. As I've stated before, someone at the company woke up one morning and decided that even if the company couldn't buy a ticket at the published accepted fare (based on predictions over 2 months in advance) you are stuck with the accepted fare if you deviate. Might as well make all published accepted fares $1.
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I can not remember when the rules changed but when I was hired, in the 95 to 96 time frame, the accepted fare was based on the actual fare for non deviating crew member. As a crew member who lived in memphis at the time all the deviating crew members used to get a copy of my ticket for their records. Not sure why that is still not the standard today. If the non-deviating actual ticket is 900.00 dollars and the accepted fare is 600.00 than that is BS.
You can thank Fox for that change. If you like I can show you a FEDEX Help Webpage (still active) for the pre Fox expense report system that says, in plain language, you can use the higher of the accepted fair or the scheduled ticket when computing your deviation bank.
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