FDX-Air Prostitute Award-Nominations ?
02-20-2009, 04:13 AM
#91
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 727 Captain
Posts: 205
We'll know that a furlough is upon us after the excess/realignment bid is announced, then executed and a training letter published and the company starts buying up houses in ANC and HKG. When there is an FCIF stating that the company is accepting resumes for 727 S/O Flex and LCA positions, to replace the soon to be furloughed flex and LCAs. I'd say that process will take at the minimum 6 months to a year. With Peak coming in the midst of that time, the company, if it has any hope of a fall recovery in freight and inventory replenishment that it has suggested, will wait since they have waited this long to pull any of those triggers. They'll wait a even longer for the next batch of empirical numbers.
The "Right thing", is that once ONE of us is furloughed or taken hostage, we will all know that it is "Show Time"! No Volunteer, No Draft, No Flying when Fatigued/Sick/wife sick/kids sick/dog sick, No Make-up, No Deviating for front end deadheads. You should get the point. You know, the right thing.
As for being reasonable, you want my personal opinion? Those colleagues of ours that undermine the SIG by flying disputed pairings, consistently bid and protect long c/o trips or fly past 60, are all doing things that I consider UN-reasonable. Flying disputed pairing affects all of our quality of life for a long time, not accepting that reality is unreasonable. Consistently, and that is the key word in this phrase, bidding and protecting long c/o trips lays the groundwork for a perceived overmanned situation and has a negative affect upon our quality of life. I support efforts to control the length of carry over trips for this purpose. AGE 60/65, here we go, yeah the law was changed and we need to just accept it. Yada, yada, .... Each CBA we agree to sets the new standard by which we should expect to work our careers. This singular piece of legislation has had a cataclysmic affect upon each and everyone of us. I contend that someone over 60 and holding a pilot seat is directly responsible for current stress and anxiety that any of the junior pilots are going through and hence, the infighting and instability that will weaken our group when it comes time to negotiate the next CBA. The over 65 crowd is beyond my comprehension. While I personally don't have much respect for those that do it, I doubt they pine for my respect
In normal times, these points would be muted. But while I personally don't think a furlough is coming, times are clearly not normal. So a reasonable person, in my view, would not conduct themselves in such a narcissistic manner. Who is to decide what is reasonable and not? That is why we have the CBA. It has all these extremes built into it. Some take advantage of certain areas and others do not, so be it. But when that bridge does appear before us, those that demonstrated the ability to be "reasonable" will be the ones that we can count on. The unreasonable ones will be question marks.
The "Right thing", is that once ONE of us is furloughed or taken hostage, we will all know that it is "Show Time"! No Volunteer, No Draft, No Flying when Fatigued/Sick/wife sick/kids sick/dog sick, No Make-up, No Deviating for front end deadheads. You should get the point. You know, the right thing.
As for being reasonable, you want my personal opinion? Those colleagues of ours that undermine the SIG by flying disputed pairings, consistently bid and protect long c/o trips or fly past 60, are all doing things that I consider UN-reasonable. Flying disputed pairing affects all of our quality of life for a long time, not accepting that reality is unreasonable. Consistently, and that is the key word in this phrase, bidding and protecting long c/o trips lays the groundwork for a perceived overmanned situation and has a negative affect upon our quality of life. I support efforts to control the length of carry over trips for this purpose. AGE 60/65, here we go, yeah the law was changed and we need to just accept it. Yada, yada, .... Each CBA we agree to sets the new standard by which we should expect to work our careers. This singular piece of legislation has had a cataclysmic affect upon each and everyone of us. I contend that someone over 60 and holding a pilot seat is directly responsible for current stress and anxiety that any of the junior pilots are going through and hence, the infighting and instability that will weaken our group when it comes time to negotiate the next CBA. The over 65 crowd is beyond my comprehension. While I personally don't have much respect for those that do it, I doubt they pine for my respect
In normal times, these points would be muted. But while I personally don't think a furlough is coming, times are clearly not normal. So a reasonable person, in my view, would not conduct themselves in such a narcissistic manner. Who is to decide what is reasonable and not? That is why we have the CBA. It has all these extremes built into it. Some take advantage of certain areas and others do not, so be it. But when that bridge does appear before us, those that demonstrated the ability to be "reasonable" will be the ones that we can count on. The unreasonable ones will be question marks.
02-20-2009, 09:22 AM
#92
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 777 Multi-tasker
Posts: 712
Sorry there Jag,
I didn't say you, or your peers, were bad guys asking for sympathy. And, I didn't mean to sound like I was pointing fingers at anyone that bid a seat at 100%. What I was trying to say is...I don't think the reduction in BLG was meant to save your seat. It was meant to save people's jobs. And, I have no problem with sacrificing. As long as it is to keep people off the street.
If you want to bid a seat at 100% and pick up the extra cash, in that manner...More power to you. I certainly wouldn't hold that against you. But, when we talk about the burden that the "junior" guys are carrying, or will carry...I just don't put you in the same class as the bottom of our seniority list folks.
That's all.
I didn't say you, or your peers, were bad guys asking for sympathy. And, I didn't mean to sound like I was pointing fingers at anyone that bid a seat at 100%. What I was trying to say is...I don't think the reduction in BLG was meant to save your seat. It was meant to save people's jobs. And, I have no problem with sacrificing. As long as it is to keep people off the street.
If you want to bid a seat at 100% and pick up the extra cash, in that manner...More power to you. I certainly wouldn't hold that against you. But, when we talk about the burden that the "junior" guys are carrying, or will carry...I just don't put you in the same class as the bottom of our seniority list folks.
That's all.
You are right, I'm not in the same class as those guys, the burden of the junior guys is well defined. Look at the junior S/O's, the one's that didn't get excessed out of their 72 S/O seat,(someone explain that to me with any amount of conviction). The bottom guys on the seniority list are going to feel a lot more of the burden than me getting excessed to F/O. I know the blg reduction was not to save my seat, I know the game, I know what to expect. But the guys at the bottom of the Master seniority list are the guys who didn' thave any options to excercise, or choices to make. They are the ones we need to protect from any more burden. Why should they lose their jobs while guys are flying 100 plus hours a month?
Guy's flying 100++ ch months, while we are in a reduced blg, are a problem... my opinion, and I'd be willing to discuss it with anyone.
The "hey I'm senior, I got mine and I'm going to get some of yours too" situation has got to be brought into the light of day.. from the top. Elections are right around the corner. I suggest each of us take a close look at how well the current leadership has done and make sure our Rep's know our feelings about it.
rant over.
but I'm keeping an eye on your posts Bus...
02-20-2009, 12:57 PM
#93
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 95
We'll know that a furlough is upon us after the excess/realignment bid is announced, then executed and a training letter published and the company starts buying up houses in ANC and HKG. When there is an FCIF stating that the company is accepting resumes for 727 S/O Flex and LCA positions, to replace the soon to be furloughed flex and LCAs. I'd say that process will take at the minimum 6 months to a year.
Seen today's "O" gram? Cross step one off the list.
02-20-2009, 01:49 PM
#95
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 727 Captain
Posts: 205
Perhaps my objective was lost in awkward verbiage. But it is simply for us to realign our priorities and become more unified. Sure there are a few hot spots, and I named a few of them. If we hope to not only get through this economic crisis at FDX, but also survive the next round of contract negotiations, we had better find a way to be more reasonable in our dealings with each other.
While I hope that I am correct in saying that a furlough won't happen, let's not start panicking just because O sent us an email. Part of why I think a furlough won't happen, is in thinking the company doesn't want a furlough. But what they do want is us completely fractured over the next few years, so that we can commiserate with each other over how and why we got screwed in this next contract.
Stay strong and reasonable.
While I hope that I am correct in saying that a furlough won't happen, let's not start panicking just because O sent us an email. Part of why I think a furlough won't happen, is in thinking the company doesn't want a furlough. But what they do want is us completely fractured over the next few years, so that we can commiserate with each other over how and why we got screwed in this next contract.
Stay strong and reasonable.
02-20-2009, 02:40 PM
#97
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
We'll know that a furlough is upon us after the excess/realignment bid is announced, then executed and a training letter published and the company starts buying up houses in ANC and HKG. When there is an FCIF stating that the company is accepting resumes for 727 S/O Flex and LCA positions, to replace the soon to be furloughed flex and LCAs...
...The "Right thing", is that once ONE of us is furloughed or taken hostage, we will all know that it is "Show Time"! ...
...The "Right thing", is that once ONE of us is furloughed or taken hostage, we will all know that it is "Show Time"! ...
That would be an indication of unity.
Last edited by Busboy; 02-20-2009 at 04:02 PM.
02-20-2009, 07:51 PM
#99
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: MD11
Posts: 315
Missed it...
Ouch
Ouch
02-20-2009, 08:00 PM
#100
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 133
ess. Now they are crying like little bitczhes . It is the airlines(small a). ***. One day u r large, next day u r small. u want the rest of us to commiserate, good luck with that.
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