fdxShark

Yeah!! And while we are giving up stuff, let's give up the deviation bank and make everyone fly their scheduled dead head.

Why are we discussing giving anything up???

Overnitefr8

I think most people are discussing setting limits while we are below the 68/85 threshold to keep people from being furloughed and to keep the company from lowering below the 68/85 limits.

AFW_MD11

Has the union said "don't protect carryover"? If they could say that legally, would they? Do they want us to "read between the lines"?

I was all for protecting carryover every month (if you were senior enough to hold it) - BEFORE the company enacted 4.A.2.b. and stopped buying up regular lines. Now....I think, while a contractual right, it's pretty darn selfish to fly a 120CH month, while others are barely making 60CH. That's not really sharing the pain and/or being unified, is it?

Doesn't that just add to the company's argument that we're overmanned?

Just my opinion.

Question: What incentive does the company have to reduce carryover?

Answer: None - as long as there are selfish little piggies willing to do the work of two pilots and fly almost every day of every month for straight pay - the company wins. (truth be told, the company would probably like to see MORE carryover 'cause they know the piggies would fly every day if the hours were available to them)

Question: Is there any difference between a pilot who chooses to keep flying beyond age 60 and a pilot who, month after month after month, protects carryover and does the work of two pilots?

Answer: No - no difference (in my opinion) - as it relates to manning. Both the over 60 big piggy, and the carryover piggy are adding to the "overmanned" situation at the expense of others junior to them (assuming it's only the senior piggies who can hold and protect their carryover)

I find it ironic, though, that some carryover piggies that I've run across have been the most outspoken against the over 60 guys and make them out to be "the most self-centered people they know"......pot, meet kettle.

FDXLAG

How is this giving anything up??? It is spreading the wealth. There were many months I started reserve with 40+ hours of leveling before I pulled my 1st R day. Great for me, kinda sucks for the other 10 guys on reserve that have to pull my share till they catch up. Why should some guy who wants to fly 100+ hours a month have 1st shot at open time? He wants to HO himself let him do it during the Thursday feeding frensy when he can pick up the 3 leg O&B through PHL or BOS.

Again how is this giving anything up?

fdxShark

Spreading the wealth? I thought we had a seniority system.

TimoC

Sshh! its the new Amerika

MacGuy2

AFW, ya just gotta give up on the age 60 thing. You are going to stress yourself out and never make it to retirement--at any age. Age 65 is the law of the land, just like 50 years ago age 60 became the law of the land. S&*t happens and you might as well accept it, no matter how much you dislike it. Pilots have the absolute right to fly until their 65 and all your badmouthing isn't going to change that. Just deal with it and move on to something you can do something about.

Just my opinion.

MG2

UnskilledFXer

[quote=FDXLAG;558836]How is this giving anything up??? It is spreading the wealth. There were many months I started reserve with 40+ hours of leveling before I pulled my 1st R day. Great for me, kinda sucks for the other 10 guys on reserve that have to pull my share till they catch up. Why should some guy who wants to fly 100+ hours a month have 1st shot at open time? He wants to HO himself let him do it during the Thursday feeding frensy when he can pick up the 3 leg O&B through PHL or BOS.

Hmm? So you know how to bid and have used it to you advantage in the past. Now you have had a "change of heart" or more likely a change in relative seniority and your eyes have been opened to the unfairness of the matter. The fair thing, as you see it, is for everyone to "fight" to get extra time. By fight, were refering to the person with the fastest internet connection and a good bot program. Hmm? That truely does seem fair. No more pesky seniority issues, no decrease in hours being flown. Only a redistribution of who flies them. I'm sure that if this happened no unintended concequences would result. For instance, the "in domicile guy" who currently bids reserve carryover switching to a regular line, because there is no longer an incentive, and a commuter, used to getting a regular line setting reserve for the month. Fiascos erupting monthly with training assignment that knock out portions of one's line, or maybe you would find that to be a permissable CIC situation. Remember this, just a few short months ago this subject didn't even merit discussion. But a 6-8% reduction in BLG and the threat of a furlough dictates a rewrite of the contract, abrogating seniority, and creating many new "special" conditions. The union has, for the past year, tried to get the company to implement some strategies to mitigate this situation. This included provisions for reduced carryover, protection of min days off etc,etc. The company has not seen fit to entertain any of these suggestions. Now some think that these steps can be implemented by senior members in each crew position voluntarily giving up pay, in the form of carryover and CIC. Not a chance! I have fallen on this sword in the past. Only to watch the "complainers and whiners" pick it up with lightening speed. We all have our own agendas, that in no way implies that we should permit any fellow pilot to be put on the street without exhausting every avenue possible. But self sacrifice by some becoming a boon for someone else is not the answer.

FDXLAG

Wrong only in the USSR and ALPA would the "some are more equal than others" get a shot 100% extra every month.

Deuce130

We do. We also have a UNION.