DiamondZ

Just want to make sure I'm reading the contract correctly..

8.C.2.a.
'A deadhead associated with a carryover trip shall be credited to the dev bank for the bid period containing the showtime for the deadhead.'

If a carryover trip has a double deadhead, each DH is credited to a different bank?

FDXLAG

Yes. Don't forget you can slide either ticket into either month.

Adlerdriver

The expense for the dev. ticket you buy can be slid. But not the funds allotted for each ticket. They stay in the month the DH shows.

MaxKts

For all you smart guys/gals out there:

Original carryover trip had a midtrip d/h on 2 Feb (first day of new bidmonth) to Indy. First leg of trip canx and RAT trip assigned with d/h to Indy on last day of previous bidmonth. Bank is now in previous bidmonth for RAT pairing - do I keep the other bank from the original trip in new bidmonth? My guess is Yes but who knows with the new and improved FOX system.

FDXLAG

You should have the bank in Feb but there is one way to check; open a Feb expense report and see if it is there. If not talk to the union.

Haywood JB

Z,

The easiest way to figure out what is going where, is to pull up your expense report. It will show you the full amount you can use for the month. I almost got burned on this(with my first c/o trip), this month. If you have anymore questions, gimmie a call.

HJB

Tuck

You keep the highest deadhead of the two trips. So if the first trip had 3 deadheads and the 2nd only two, you should keep the mid-trip on the first and the highest of the others. You won't keep all the bank money though - just the highest of each day. This isn't spelled out in the contract but this is how it's been done and Contract Enforcement at the Union agrees.

Adlerdriver

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Originally Posted by Tuck

You keep the highest deadhead of the two trips. So if the first trip had 3 deadheads and the 2nd only two, you should keep the mid-trip on the first and the highest of the others. You won't keep all the bank money though - just the highest of each day. This isn't spelled out in the contract but this is how it's been done and Contract Enforcement at the Union agrees.

Tuck,
I don't believe you are correct. I've had this happen (except in reverse: original DH showed last day of bid month - that gets cnx and new DH show time is in next month). I kept both DH banks. The contract is actually quite specific about this:

8-C.2.a
A pilot shall have a deviation bank established for each bid period. The value of the deviation bank shall equal the value of the scheduled deadhead tickets for trips flown during the bid period plus the value of any scheduled deadheads for recurrent training. However, if a deadhead trip is changed or canceled by the company, the deadhead bank monies remain intact. A deadhead associated with a carryover trip shall be credited to the deviation bank for the bid period containing the showtime for the deadhead.

Maybe there's a scenario you've encountered where you get the higher of the DHs for a specific day, I don't know. In this case where a DH on a specific day is cancelled and replaced with a completely different DH on another day - you keep the $$ from both in your bank(s).

At least that's how I read the contract excerpt above and what has happened to me in this scenario. I can’t see how Contract Enforcement could see this any other way than it is spelled out. This appears to be at least one area of the contract with little to no “grey” and seems pretty clear.

Cooter

To clarify an earlier post, you can only slide an expense 3 days but the FOX system now recognizes that and will give you that option when you specify a ticket, or taxi expense with a trip. The short of it is...the bank stays with the SCHEDULED DH month but the actual travel can be slid to/from a different month as long as within 3 days of the scheduled DH. Actually, I believe the contract says within 72 hours of a scheduled DH but the company allows 3 calendar days even if it falls outside of the 72 hours (the system does not care that your 11 AM DH will be 75 hours outside of your scheduled 2 PM). Example, you have a scheduled DH on Wed of the first week in Feb. Got extra bank money in Jan about to go to waste?? Slide the Wed DH travel you did back to Sunday, the last day of the Jan bid month. Uses your Jan bank and gives you more bank options for Feb.

And another thing: ALWAYS print out any revision, etc that changes your bank. The highest bank ever put on paper is what goes into your bank, as long as you have "proof." But, the FOX system will only give you credit for the AF on the final revision. The company was going to take over $1000 out of my pay one month had I not finally found a copy of a revision with a much higher AF than the final revision was for. I had printed the revision, it was revised again within a day for $2000 less AF, two weeks before the trip. You'll also need to make the change on the AF page of your ER.

FDXLAG

To clarify Coots post further a C/O deviation ticket can almost always be slide forward or back a month.

So to expand on my perfect answer in post number 2: Yes C/O double deadhead banks are always split between the old and the new month. C/O deviation tickets (expenses) can always be slide into the other month (as long as it is within 3 days of the beginning or end of the trip).

Believe it or not the help file in the FOX system FAQs explains this very well.