SeeDub

Unfortunately or fortunately(I'm not sure any more), there is no such thing in our contract.

FR8Hauler

I do get it. I think we are on the same page. Carryover is the root of about 75% of our scheduling problem. We need a BLG cap for flying straight time trips say at 100 hours/month to keep the carryover abusers who are all senior guys from scarfing up all the hours. If you do get one of these 80 hour pop up in open time trips on makeup you fly however many less hours the next month to equal it out. My point is that is not going to happen anytime soon and people need to prepare for the rainy day that is rapidly approaching. If you have 100 hours of makeup and have the chance to cash it in, I would say go for it especially if you are being excess ed or on the way out the door....

nosoup4u

I guess I was taking liberties as to the "intent" of 4.a.2.b........


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FR8Hauler

Well I guess you could make that arguement. Other than the fact that the majority of the crew force along with our union see nothing wrong with make up and our union which we all pay thousands of dollars to say's, "don't fly disputed pairings." But if you are looking for a reason to rationalize flying a disputed pairing then i guess you could twist what I am saying around to that.

FDXLAG

Just because the union can't come out and say "don't fly makeup" does not mean they see nothing wrong with it.

What ever your conscience allows.

FR8Hauler

OK you got me. Don't fly make up if you feel so strongly about it. I myself think it is prudent to burn as much of your make up bank while the opportunity allows itself before the possible collapse and there is NOTHING from the union on why not to do it. My conscience is just fine with it...Maybe I will burn in airline hell for it. My question to you is, are you affected by this? In other words are you being downgraded or furloughed if this all goes down? You might have a different spin on this if you are. Forfeiting thousands of dollars as you head out the door is probably not the smartest thing to do.

FDXLAG

I think that is what I have been saying; I'm not flying extra but you go right ahead. Haven't answered my question; why would they Union ban it if it doesn't help the company fly the schedule with less pilots?

FR8Hauler

First of all I am not condoning it for myself, but for everyone who is in this position. The union has ignored the carry over protection scam for years. I wrote my union rep about this numerous times and was met with indifference to the whole issue. It has not been until one month ago that they finally realized the gravity of the situation. They allowed it along with the company. When times were good we could have dealt with this but now it is too little too late. VTO schedules suck because there is no open time, make up is next to impossible and reserves who want to fly get nothing but garbage all because of the lack of flying because of senior guys who protect their carryover. So why in the world would they come out with something as trivial of a policy "as don't fly make up" when they have the humongous problem of carryover flying?

Gunter

Too many folks are unsure if it's fortunately or unfortunately....

Oceanside11

FR8,
I am going to fly my line. I may try to swap with open time or perhaps drop/pickup an equal amount of CH (I have a MOUNTAIN of makeup bank), but it'll be as even a swap as I can get. I feel that flying extra right now has the potential of putting guys on the street in the not too distant future. Maybe I'm the 1 guy in 10 that says this is the right thing to do, and you may think me an idiot, but I'm right and I know it (and deep down I think you know it too). When there are guys on the street and you go beating your chest that NOW you won't fly extra, it'll be too late. You want to go along with what you perceive as "the crowd", be my guest.

O11