FedEx ANC DPs
02-03-2009, 09:18 PM
#61
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
Joined APC: Feb 2007
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OK, getting tired of the completely bash MEM attitude. We have more than 150 in each seat. If it wasn't a genaralization I wouldn't mind. But, there are a lot of guys in MEM that tow the line as well as ANC guys and were BASED in ANC before a lot of you MF's could spell FedEx!
So, any of you guys want to have this discussion in the bar that's fine with me. Unti then type " Most of the MEM guys" yada, yada....
Makers and Diet Out!
So, any of you guys want to have this discussion in the bar that's fine with me. Unti then type " Most of the MEM guys" yada, yada....
Makers and Diet Out!
02-03-2009, 09:59 PM
#62
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No question that "most" (read almost all) of the MEM guys toe the line WRT DP's. The difference between MEM and ANC is ANC has a highly organized and active self policing program. A team of Pilots who volunteer to call and remind DP "pick-upers" what a disputed pairing is. MEM does not have this. Why? Temerity? Fear? God forbid, Complacency? If you don't like the ragging, start a similar program.
02-03-2009, 10:11 PM
#63
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
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Good method FR8
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
#64
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02-04-2009, 03:28 AM
#65
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Position: 11 Capt
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No question that "most" (read almost all) of the MEM guys toe the line WRT DP's. The difference between MEM and ANC is ANC has a highly organized and active self policing program. A team of Pilots who volunteer to call and remind DP "pick-upers" what a disputed pairing is. MEM does not have this. Why? Temerity? Fear? God forbid, Complacency? If you don't like the ragging, start a similar program.
02-04-2009, 07:40 AM
#66
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Because for the most part, we aren't. I think what you are seeing is that guys are getting tired of MEM pilots not policing themselves. Make a call, send an email. That is usually all it takes. Don't you guys pass each other in the AOC almost every night?
02-04-2009, 07:58 AM
#67
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Exactly, guys based in MEM have more contact with each other than those in ANC. I have spent plenty of time in both places and there is a different mindset in MEM. Not for everybody, but a fair sized portion. It is because there are a lot of "I've got mine" very senior people there. Just the way it is...
02-04-2009, 10:02 AM
#68
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PV1 -
I think your "... there are a lot of guys in MEM that tow the line as well as ANC guys and were BASED in ANC before a lot of you MF's could spell FedEx" comment says a lot about your position on unity within the crew force. I would be cautious in any forum when referring to anybody as a MF.
I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you, but would prefer not to have it in a bar. I don't want your 'generalized' mind distorted with alcohol, or any other hallucinagen you seem to be on. What you should consider is the 'strength' the MEM domicile has, and fails to exhibit. The MEM domiciles' ability to affect change is phenomenal, and they've exhibited complete deference. You're correct, the ANC domicile is small, so it's easy to be self-policed - as is LAX and SFS/HKG. Let's put a positive spin on that for a moment. With 12,000 carry-over hours - about 10,000 of those are in MEM. How 'bout convincing the MEM crews to just take ONE MONTH to fly their lines as scheduled, protect min-days off, and fly their scheduled deadheads. With 85% of the crew force stepping up, you'd make our NC Chairman's job and our MEC's job infinitely easier.
The next thing I'd like to discuss with you is the number of POR's you've submitted. Where do you stand on CBA 5.B.2.a-e violations, or 25.D.1. and 25.D.2.a-e violations. Can you explain to me the difference between 'operational' necessity, administrative, and economic, and how/when the optimizer gets tweaked, it's under the guise of 'operational'? After that, the number of letters you've written to the FAA for FAR interpretations when YOU think something is WRONG. FAR 121.513, 121.521, and 121.525 to start with, and then perhaps FAA Interpretation 1979-40 (and a few others), and their impact on our international operation. For today's operation, have you read the RLA paragraph 156 (I think that's it), and the impact it might be having on our Reserve crews? We can discuss the number of hours you've volunteered to YOUR union, and the number of times you've contacted the SIG/PSIT for assistance, inputs, concerns or even complaints. YOU might want to track disputed pairings yourself, and how the typically disputed sequences migrate from base to base. The results of your research probably won't surprise you. When was the last time you wrote your Block Rep? What have YOU done to help your fellow pilots, what battles you've initiated or participated in (win or lose), and where you stand today when times are tough?!
When you can convince me you're doing everything you can, THEN, you can refer to me as a MF. Until then, be very cautious with your generalized comments and attitude.
I think your "... there are a lot of guys in MEM that tow the line as well as ANC guys and were BASED in ANC before a lot of you MF's could spell FedEx" comment says a lot about your position on unity within the crew force. I would be cautious in any forum when referring to anybody as a MF.
I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you, but would prefer not to have it in a bar. I don't want your 'generalized' mind distorted with alcohol, or any other hallucinagen you seem to be on. What you should consider is the 'strength' the MEM domicile has, and fails to exhibit. The MEM domiciles' ability to affect change is phenomenal, and they've exhibited complete deference. You're correct, the ANC domicile is small, so it's easy to be self-policed - as is LAX and SFS/HKG. Let's put a positive spin on that for a moment. With 12,000 carry-over hours - about 10,000 of those are in MEM. How 'bout convincing the MEM crews to just take ONE MONTH to fly their lines as scheduled, protect min-days off, and fly their scheduled deadheads. With 85% of the crew force stepping up, you'd make our NC Chairman's job and our MEC's job infinitely easier.
The next thing I'd like to discuss with you is the number of POR's you've submitted. Where do you stand on CBA 5.B.2.a-e violations, or 25.D.1. and 25.D.2.a-e violations. Can you explain to me the difference between 'operational' necessity, administrative, and economic, and how/when the optimizer gets tweaked, it's under the guise of 'operational'? After that, the number of letters you've written to the FAA for FAR interpretations when YOU think something is WRONG. FAR 121.513, 121.521, and 121.525 to start with, and then perhaps FAA Interpretation 1979-40 (and a few others), and their impact on our international operation. For today's operation, have you read the RLA paragraph 156 (I think that's it), and the impact it might be having on our Reserve crews? We can discuss the number of hours you've volunteered to YOUR union, and the number of times you've contacted the SIG/PSIT for assistance, inputs, concerns or even complaints. YOU might want to track disputed pairings yourself, and how the typically disputed sequences migrate from base to base. The results of your research probably won't surprise you. When was the last time you wrote your Block Rep? What have YOU done to help your fellow pilots, what battles you've initiated or participated in (win or lose), and where you stand today when times are tough?!
When you can convince me you're doing everything you can, THEN, you can refer to me as a MF. Until then, be very cautious with your generalized comments and attitude.
02-04-2009, 10:09 AM
#69
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PV1 -
I think your "... there are a lot of guys in MEM that tow the line as well as ANC guys and were BASED in ANC before a lot of you MF's could spell FedEx" comment says a lot about your position on unity within the crew force. I would be cautious in any forum when referring to anybody as a MF.
I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you, but would prefer not to have it in a bar. I don't want your 'generalized' mind distorted with alcohol, or any other hallucinagen you seem to be on. What you should consider is the 'strength' the MEM domicile has, and fails to exhibit. The MEM domiciles' ability to affect change is phenomenal, and they've exhibited complete deference. You're correct, the ANC domicile is small, so it's easy to be self-policed - as is LAX and SFS/HKG. Let's put a positive spin on that for a moment. With 12,000 carry-over hours - about 10,000 of those are in MEM. How 'bout convincing the MEM crews to just take ONE MONTH to fly their lines as scheduled, protect min-days off, and fly their scheduled deadheads. With 85% of the crew force stepping up, you'd make our NC Chairman's job and our MEC's job infinitely easier.
The next thing I'd like to discuss with you is the number of POR's you've submitted. Where do you stand on CBA 5.B.2.a-e violations, or 25.D.1. and 25.D.2.a-e violations. Can you explain to me the difference between 'operational' necessity, administrative, and economic, and how/when the optimizer gets tweaked, it's under the guise of 'operational'? After that, the number of letters you've written to the FAA for FAR interpretations when YOU think something is WRONG. FAR 121.513, 121.521, and 121.525 to start with, and then perhaps FAA Interpretation 1979-40 (and a few others), and their impact on our international operation. For today's operation, have you read the RLA paragraph 156 (I think that's it), and the impact it might be having on our Reserve crews? We can discuss the number of hours you've volunteered to YOUR union, and the number of times you've contacted the SIG/PSIT for assistance, inputs, concerns or even complaints. YOU might want to track disputed pairings yourself, and how the typically disputed sequences migrate from base to base. The results of your research probably won't surprise you. When was the last time you wrote your Block Rep? What have YOU done to help your fellow pilots, what battles you've initiated or participated in (win or lose), and where you stand today when times are tough?!
When you can convince me you're doing everything you can, THEN, you can refer to me as a MF. Until then, be very cautious with your generalized comments and attitude.
I think your "... there are a lot of guys in MEM that tow the line as well as ANC guys and were BASED in ANC before a lot of you MF's could spell FedEx" comment says a lot about your position on unity within the crew force. I would be cautious in any forum when referring to anybody as a MF.
I'd be more than happy to have a discussion with you, but would prefer not to have it in a bar. I don't want your 'generalized' mind distorted with alcohol, or any other hallucinagen you seem to be on. What you should consider is the 'strength' the MEM domicile has, and fails to exhibit. The MEM domiciles' ability to affect change is phenomenal, and they've exhibited complete deference. You're correct, the ANC domicile is small, so it's easy to be self-policed - as is LAX and SFS/HKG. Let's put a positive spin on that for a moment. With 12,000 carry-over hours - about 10,000 of those are in MEM. How 'bout convincing the MEM crews to just take ONE MONTH to fly their lines as scheduled, protect min-days off, and fly their scheduled deadheads. With 85% of the crew force stepping up, you'd make our NC Chairman's job and our MEC's job infinitely easier.
The next thing I'd like to discuss with you is the number of POR's you've submitted. Where do you stand on CBA 5.B.2.a-e violations, or 25.D.1. and 25.D.2.a-e violations. Can you explain to me the difference between 'operational' necessity, administrative, and economic, and how/when the optimizer gets tweaked, it's under the guise of 'operational'? After that, the number of letters you've written to the FAA for FAR interpretations when YOU think something is WRONG. FAR 121.513, 121.521, and 121.525 to start with, and then perhaps FAA Interpretation 1979-40 (and a few others), and their impact on our international operation. For today's operation, have you read the RLA paragraph 156 (I think that's it), and the impact it might be having on our Reserve crews? We can discuss the number of hours you've volunteered to YOUR union, and the number of times you've contacted the SIG/PSIT for assistance, inputs, concerns or even complaints. YOU might want to track disputed pairings yourself, and how the typically disputed sequences migrate from base to base. The results of your research probably won't surprise you. When was the last time you wrote your Block Rep? What have YOU done to help your fellow pilots, what battles you've initiated or participated in (win or lose), and where you stand today when times are tough?!
When you can convince me you're doing everything you can, THEN, you can refer to me as a MF. Until then, be very cautious with your generalized comments and attitude.
02-04-2009, 02:08 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,338
Hey,
Past V1 is a good guy and a friend of mine. NOT one of those "good guys" that pick up DP's by accident. He is a BMF.....I know, because one time I had to get his wallet out of a bag that had a bunch of wallets in there.
His was the one that said "B...M....F"
He is not the problem......I'm sure he is getting tired of being lumped in with the problem children. I happen to know that he is not the type to excuse selfish behaviour. He was just pointing out that he has been dealing with these same selfish sorts for quite some time. He was in ANC before some of the more self-righteous posters.
You guys are shooting a wingman......doesn't make sense.
Regards,
Past V1 is a good guy and a friend of mine. NOT one of those "good guys" that pick up DP's by accident. He is a BMF.....I know, because one time I had to get his wallet out of a bag that had a bunch of wallets in there.
His was the one that said "B...M....F"
He is not the problem......I'm sure he is getting tired of being lumped in with the problem children. I happen to know that he is not the type to excuse selfish behaviour. He was just pointing out that he has been dealing with these same selfish sorts for quite some time. He was in ANC before some of the more self-righteous posters.
You guys are shooting a wingman......doesn't make sense.
Regards,
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